Coachella

[gfa]

Has Bad Bunny properly broken through in any countries without a Spanish speaking population or at least a significant diaspora (e.g. USA)

I guess it could happen eventually given K Pops success in countries with basically no korean speakers.

Not sure if K Pop relies less on the singing so language doesn't matter as much - its clearly become a lot more performancy 'stan' based

[thewayiam]

3 hours ago, gfa said:

Not sure what your point is here ? spanish and english tourists frequent florida

Just he kinda popped up out the blue. I didn't see him as appearing there

2 hours ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Why?

I'll visor where I want on holiday 

[gigpusher]

2 hours ago, gfa said:

Has Bad Bunny properly broken through in any countries without a Spanish speaking population or at least a significant diaspora (e.g. USA)

I guess it could happen eventually given K Pops success in countries with basically no korean speakers.

Not sure if K Pop relies less on the singing so language doesn't matter as much - its clearly become a lot more performancy 'stan' based

Wasn't Blackpink's last album in English or at least mostly in English. I'm sure I remember being surprised at that when I listened to them. 

[stanh]

Sort of on topic, but I believe Rosalía is releasing her first English single soon... Will be interesting to hear it and see how it goes down, because the rest of the stuff she has released is quality.

[CaledonianGonzo]

22 minutes ago, gigpusher said:

Wasn't Blackpink's last album in English or at least mostly in English. I'm sure I remember being surprised at that when I listened to them. 

A lot of it certainly is.  There's very little exotic or 'foreign' about it. It's just straight up pop bangers.

[Suprefan]

6 hours ago, stanh said:

Sort of on topic, but I believe Rosalía is releasing her first English single soon... Will be interesting to hear it and see how it goes down, because the rest of the stuff she has released is quality.

Heres the whole thing on whats acceptable then when it comes to non english singing artists. Rosalia is fine apparently. Stromae seems to be cool. Sigur Ros, Maneskin and hell, Rammstein are acts this forum wants at Glasto and none primarily sing in english, so what gives. You guys also love to watch Eurovision and how many songs are in english? Think it might come down more that a non european foreign language act busted down a bunch of barriers and  its just instant brush off even when the presumed metrics of a potential headliner have been met. The goal posts always get moved if you dont fit into a very specific perview as always. 

[Jose Pose]

15 minutes ago, Suprefan said:

Heres the whole thing on whats acceptable then when it comes to non english singing artists. Rosalia is fine apparently. Stromae seems to be cool. Sigur Ros, Maneskin and hell, Rammstein are acts this forum wants at Glasto and none primarily sing in english, so what gives. You guys also love to watch Eurovision and how many songs are in english? Think it might come down more that a non european foreign language act busted down a bunch of barriers and  its just instant brush off even when the presumed metrics of a potential headliner have been met. The goal posts always get moved if you dont fit into a very specific perview as always. 

It’s almost as if Europe and Scandinavia are close to the UK (I think we might have even been in Europe once) and South and Central American and the Caribbean are close to the US.

[gfa]

1 hour ago, Suprefan said:

Heres the whole thing on whats acceptable then when it comes to non english singing artists. Rosalia is fine apparently. Stromae seems to be cool. Sigur Ros, Maneskin and hell, Rammstein are acts this forum wants at Glasto and none primarily sing in english, so what gives. You guys also love to watch Eurovision and how many songs are in english? Think it might come down more that a non european foreign language act busted down a bunch of barriers and  its just instant brush off even when the presumed metrics of a potential headliner have been met. The goal posts always get moved if you dont fit into a very specific perview as always. 

Eurovision songs 😂 Half of the winners are complete rubbish, including the ones that are in english.

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I presume this is about blackpink and bad bunny - both have not reached headliner in the UK.

Blackpink can't sell out a single date at BST - plenty of acts do say APE and then do a full uk tour alongside that too.

Bad Bunny has done one UK show, at kentish town o2 which is 1k .... and it says it was moved there from the 5k o2 brixton for christs sake - clearly his genre doesn't sell as well as his team thought it would when that show was - thats a huge different 5000 to 1000, surely less than 1000 people had tickets if they could even do that move

[waltere]

1 hour ago, Suprefan said:

You guys also love to watch Eurovision and how many songs are in english?

For the past 25 years, most of them

[Suprefan]

4 hours ago, gfa said:

Eurovision songs 😂 Half of the winners are complete rubbish, including the ones that are in english.

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I presume this is about blackpink and bad bunny - both have not reached headliner in the UK.

Blackpink can't sell out a single date at BST - plenty of acts do say APE and then do a full uk tour alongside that too.

Bad Bunny has done one UK show, at kentish town o2 which is 1k .... and it says it was moved there from the 5k o2 brixton for christs sake - clearly his genre doesn't sell as well as his team thought it would when that show was - thats a huge different 5000 to 1000, surely less than 1000 people had tickets if they could even do that move

Its more about what is accepted and what isnt when it comes to non english artists. Again, the purview is really narrow and if you dont thread that needle just right then its a throwaway or even a novelty. You guys love the glasto latino tent cause it gives you a space to enjoy the novelty of the culture and not have it somehow besmirch the big music stages with its presence. Who says Blackpink wont end up selling out their bst date. Its interesting that you want to point out Bad Bunny touring during his debut album and not now. A lot has changed in 5 years.  Im sure its an enjoyable thing to see them fail though so you can sweep it under the rug and just get back to how things should be. Its ok, he'll be at Wrestlemania in April and in Marvel movies and such in the future. And potentially cleaning up at the Grammys next month. So what happens if he beats Beyonce and Adele. Still just second rate?

[clasher]

25 minutes ago, Suprefan said:

Its more about what is accepted and what isnt when it comes to non english artists. Again, the purview is really narrow and if you dont thread that needle just right then its a throwaway or even a novelty. You guys love the glasto latino tent cause it gives you a space to enjoy the novelty of the culture and not have it somehow besmirch the big music stages with its presence. Who says Blackpink wont end up selling out their bst date. Its interesting that you want to point out Bad Bunny touring during his debut album and not now. A lot has changed in 5 years.  Im sure its an enjoyable thing to see them fail though so you can sweep it under the rug and just get back to how things should be. Its ok, he'll be at Wrestlemania in April and in Marvel movies and such in the future. And potentially cleaning up at the Grammys next month. So what happens if he beats Beyonce and Adele. Still just second rate?

So if someone doesn't like Bad Bunny's music and points out he's not nearly as big in Europe as he's in the Americas, they're automatically snobish, purist, basically racist and love to see non-english speaking acts fail, is that roughly the point you're making?

[CaledonianGonzo]

I suspect Bad Bunny would sell tickets and records if - and I cannot stress this enough - he played any fucking gigs here. 

He's made fuck all attempt to break into the market over here and so his only hit is a Cardi B feature.

If he's prepared not to headline Glastonbury would book him in a lower slot in an instant 

Fuck me.

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

1 hour ago, Suprefan said:

Again, the purview is really narrow

 

6 hours ago, Suprefan said:

If you dont fit into a very specific perview as always. 

Look who learned a new word

[CaledonianGonzo]

Glastonbury is always open to Latin artists. Even the main stage is called El Pointo.

[CaledonianGonzo]

Bad Bunny could never

 

 

[tigger123]

22 hours ago, Suprefan said:

it’s still funny that the festival is seen as lower tier and just a copy of Reading when they could never get half the stuff that is on an average coachella lineup. Last year they shared 5 acts. Such a carbon copy it seems. This year its 1.

Don’t think anyone said it was a carbon copy of Reading? Plus another big difference between the 2 is that Reading’s organisers don’t fund the anti-abortion movement either. Would automatically think twice about paying for a ticket for Coachella regardless of how good the lineup was and how many shiny air conditioned coloured towers they have 

[MEGABOWL]

9 hours ago, Suprefan said:

Heres the whole thing on whats acceptable then when it comes to non english singing artists. Rosalia is fine apparently. Stromae seems to be cool. Sigur Ros, Maneskin and hell, Rammstein are acts this forum wants at Glasto and none primarily sing in english, so what gives. You guys also love to watch Eurovision and how many songs are in english? Think it might come down more that a non european foreign language act busted down a bunch of barriers and  its just instant brush off even when the presumed metrics of a potential headliner have been met. The goal posts always get moved if you dont fit into a very specific perview as always. 

What happens is that some artists are more popular than others, and what’s popular in one Country isn’t necessarily popular in another. That will save you arguing against….whoever you think you’re arguing with here.

[CaledonianGonzo]

Ironically the subtext - that the UK is an increasingly irrelevant backwater with a tendency toward parochialism (or outright racism) - is accurate.

But it's still not the reason why Glastonbury won't book Bad Bunny to headline at this point in time.

[Justcalledtosay]

4 hours ago, Suprefan said:

Its more about what is accepted and what isnt when it comes to non english artists. Again, the purview is really narrow and if you dont thread that needle just right then its a throwaway or even a novelty. You guys love the glasto latino tent cause it gives you a space to enjoy the novelty of the culture and not have it somehow besmirch the big music stages with its presence. Who says Blackpink wont end up selling out their bst date. Its interesting that you want to point out Bad Bunny touring during his debut album and not now. A lot has changed in 5 years.  Im sure its an enjoyable thing to see them fail though so you can sweep it under the rug and just get back to how things should be. Its ok, he'll be at Wrestlemania in April and in Marvel movies and such in the future. And potentially cleaning up at the Grammys next month. So what happens if he beats Beyonce and Adele. Still just second rate?

Mate...take that crisp off your shoulder.

[p.pete]

3 hours ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Glastonbury is always open to Latin artists. Even the main stage is called El Pointo.

Rosalia has played the Pelar Juan too a couple of festivals ago

[Jose Pose]

4 hours ago, Suprefan said:

Its more about what is accepted and what isnt when it comes to non english artists. Again, the purview is really narrow and if you dont thread that needle just right then its a throwaway or even a novelty. You guys love the glasto latino tent cause it gives you a space to enjoy the novelty of the culture and not have it somehow besmirch the big music stages with its presence. Who says Blackpink wont end up selling out their bst date. Its interesting that you want to point out Bad Bunny touring during his debut album and not now. A lot has changed in 5 years.  Im sure its an enjoyable thing to see them fail though so you can sweep it under the rug and just get back to how things should be. Its ok, he'll be at Wrestlemania in April and in Marvel movies and such in the future. And potentially cleaning up at the Grammys next month. So what happens if he beats Beyonce and Adele. Still just second rate?

So you’re basically getting angry that an act that is big in the US isn’t as big in the UK? 

Bad Bunny is from Puerto Rico is he not? A place pretty adjacent to the US, with a lot of immigration from there as well. Places like the Caribbean and Mexico are short hop for Americans for a holiday as well, just like erm, the whole of Europe is for us.

Are you going to get annoyed that the NFL isn’t as popular here as it is in the US? Why don’t you like cricket as much as us, are you racist?

The Grammys, Wrestlemania and Marvel are also American aren’t they, I doubt Bad Bunny will do that well compared to Corrie at the British soap awards this year.

Edited January 13, 2023 by Jose Pose

[p.pete]

4 hours ago, Suprefan said:

Its more about what is accepted and what isnt when it comes to non english artists. Again, the purview is really narrow and if you dont thread that needle just right then its a throwaway or even a novelty. You guys love the glasto latino tent cause it gives you a space to enjoy the novelty of the culture and not have it somehow besmirch the big music stages with its presence. Who says Blackpink wont end up selling out their bst date. Its interesting that you want to point out Bad Bunny touring during his debut album and not now. A lot has changed in 5 years.  Im sure its an enjoyable thing to see them fail though so you can sweep it under the rug and just get back to how things should be. Its ok, he'll be at Wrestlemania in April and in Marvel movies and such in the future. And potentially cleaning up at the Grammys next month. So what happens if he beats Beyonce and Adele. Still just second rate?

Don't know much about Coachella's lineup to be fair, but there's usually room for non-english artists across the[edit G] festival.  The things we're listing for Coachella, while culturally diverse, are also economically no-brainers.  Glastonbury on the other hand usually is happy to put on acts because they're genuinely culturally interesting rather than because they have a billion streams and just happen to be from Mexico (your neighbour) or Korea (K-Pop is fricken huge). 

Last year El Pointo included Les Amazones d'Afrique and DakhaBrakha - maybe that's not much more than a token gesture in your eyes (and I've not looked beyond the main stage for examples), but I'm interested in what cultural diversity Coachella shows that doesn't make economic sense first?  [If it's a lot of Mexican stuff then French stuff should count for Glastonbury]

Edited January 13, 2023 by p.pete

[stuie]

4 hours ago, Suprefan said:

Its more about what is accepted and what isnt when it comes to non english artists. Again, the purview is really narrow and if you dont thread that needle just right then its a throwaway or even a novelty. You guys love the glasto latino tent cause it gives you a space to enjoy the novelty of the culture and not have it somehow besmirch the big music stages with its presence. Who says Blackpink wont end up selling out their bst date. Its interesting that you want to point out Bad Bunny touring during his debut album and not now. A lot has changed in 5 years.  Im sure its an enjoyable thing to see them fail though so you can sweep it under the rug and just get back to how things should be. Its ok, he'll be at Wrestlemania in April and in Marvel movies and such in the future. And potentially cleaning up at the Grammys next month. So what happens if he beats Beyonce and Adele. Still just second rate?

Purview my arse. 

He's done nothing here.  No tour, one top 10, no mega success.   Why should we even care?

Outside of this forum I don't think I've heard anyone speak about him ever. 

 

[scatteredscreens]

So Coachella books two non-English performing acts to headline and suddenly it's the epitome of diverse festival bookings? Ok

[dreams_burn_down]

10 hours ago, gfa said:

Bad Bunny has done one UK show, at kentish town o2 which is 1k .... and it says it was moved there from the 5k o2 brixton for christs sake - clearly his genre doesn't sell as well as his team thought it would when that show was - thats a huge different 5000 to 1000, surely less than 1000 people had tickets if they could even do that move

This is pretty misleading - that show was in August 2018, before he'd released any of the four critically acclaimed albums that have made him one of the world's biggest artists.

If anything, I'd say playing the Forum off the back of singles and features - in a genre with no popular foothold in the UK at that point - is proof of his global appeal.