Football 2015/16

[ThomThomDrum]

2 hours ago, eFestivals said:

 

I don't think either will happen either ... but they're not impossible.

Its obviously my opinion and not a scientific fact. Obviously there is an actual chance of both happening, but there is also a chance of Crystal Palace winning the league and Man Utd getting relegated, but neither of those will happen either

[jackarmy]

17 hours ago, TheGayTent said:

Swansea getting Bielsa? Now that would be exciting 

Bielsa is the main one the press seem to be talking about, and I'd love to have him down here. I think he'd have no problem in getting the best out of this Swansea squad (or shipping out those who don't buy in). But Alejandro Sabella (Argentina WC 2014 coach, ex-Leeds & Sheffield United player) also has an interview, he also speaks English...

19 hours ago, JoeyT said:

Swansea will spend I'm sure. The new manager whoever that may be will want to bring in his own faces. They need a new striker for sure. Gomis has gone missing for the past 2 months!

This will potentially be the sticking point for any new manager, we're unwilling to spend what we don't have - but gambling on the future TV deal may be needed in January. In regards to Gomis, he actually looked dangerous for the first time in months on Saturday. I think he's capable of getting a couple in his next few games, his goals tend to come in patches. But he can't be relied on!

[eFestivals]

49 minutes ago, ThomThomDrum said:

Its obviously my opinion and not a scientific fact. Obviously there is an actual chance of both happening, but there is also a chance of Crystal Palace winning the league and Man Utd getting relegated, but neither of those will happen either

yet there's a far greater probability that Leicester will win the league and Chelsea will be relegated.

All long shots are not the same. Some are much much much more likely than others.

[pink_triangle]

32 minutes ago, jackarmy said:

Bielsa is the main one the press seem to be talking about, and I'd love to have him down here. I think he'd have no problem in getting the best out of this Swansea squad (or shipping out those who don't buy in). But Alejandro Sabella (Argentina WC 2014 coach, ex-Leeds & Sheffield United player) also has an interview, he also speaks English...

This will potentially be the sticking point for any new manager, we're unwilling to spend what we don't have - but gambling on the future TV deal may be needed in January. In regards to Gomis, he actually looked dangerous for the first time in months on Saturday. I think he's capable of getting a couple in his next few games, his goals tend to come in patches. But he can't be relied on!

Listening to Tim Vickery he seems to think Sabella doesnt enjoy being a manager and is a natural number 2 which is why he didnt stay at Argentina when given the opportunity.

As for the TV deal, Im not convinced it will be this paradise that clubs make out.  Clubs may make more money, but it will also result in clubs, players and agents wanting their share of the pie and outgoings will also significantly increase.  I also think its unlikely it will result in a huge gap developing between an elite 25 teams and the rest. I think if you give premiership teams more money they will just throw more money down the drain.

[TheGayTent]

26 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I also think its unlikely it will result in a huge gap developing between an elite 25 teams and the rest. I think if you give premiership teams more money they will just throw more money down the drain.

There already is. It's far bigger now than it was 30 years ago. If, (and it's a big if) TV deals keep going up as they have then that gap will continue to grow. 

[pink_triangle]

2 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

There already is. It's far bigger now than it was 30 years ago. If, (and it's a big if) TV deals keep going up as they have then that gap will continue to grow. 

For every team who comes straight back up, there are others that fall away despite the parachute payments.  Its quite possible that the 3 clubs who go up from the championship this seasons will have achieved this without parachute payments or premiership football in the last couple of years

[TheGayTent]

1 hour ago, pink_triangle said:

For every team who comes straight back up, there are others that fall away despite the parachute payments.  Its quite possible that the 3 clubs who go up from the championship this seasons will have achieved this without parachute payments or premiership football in the last couple of years

That's partly because clubs coming down are clubs that went up and overstretched themselves when attempting to bridge the gap. Alternatively they're clubs previously bankrolled by a rich investor who subsequently pulled the plug (Eddie Davies/Bolton)

It's also partly because clubs coming up got promotion via new rich backers (Bournemouth)

[eFestivals]

34 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

That's partly because clubs coming down are clubs that went up and overstretched themselves when attempting to bridge the gap. Alternatively they're clubs previously bankrolled by a rich investor who subsequently pulled the plug (Eddie Davies/Bolton)

It's also partly because clubs coming up got promotion via new rich backers (Bournemouth)

Ahhh, notlob. That's not a name we've seen around here for a while.

I've been waiting for you to mention them given the shit they're in, and i'm quite surprised it's taken you so long as you used to be so vitriolic about specifically them (I never did know why).

 

[pink_triangle]

51 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

That's partly because clubs coming down are clubs that went up and overstretched themselves when attempting to bridge the gap. Alternatively they're clubs previously bankrolled by a rich investor who subsequently pulled the plug (Eddie Davies/Bolton)

It's also partly because clubs coming up got promotion via new rich backers (Bournemouth)

I would agree with that, the shop is very much open assuming you have enough money to join.  I however maintain that increasing premiership money will just make clubs make increasingly stupid and make bigger mistakes.  I have heard several times after a big tv deal how things will change significantly and they never do. Some teams will yoyo, some will come back and hold their own, others will bomb. I dont anything will change.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, pink_triangle said:

I would agree with that, the shop is very much open assuming you have enough money to join.  I however maintain that increasing premiership money will just make clubs make increasingly stupid and make bigger mistakes.  I have heard several times after a big tv deal how things will change significantly and they never do. Some teams will yoyo, some will come back and hold their own, others will bomb. I dont anything will change.

The bigger money just gets to mean everything else in footie sucks up that bigger money. We've been round this circle 5 or more times already since the Prem started and TV money came into play.

Bigger money won't bring any changes for the better, that'll take regulation with changes for the better in mind. It's a different distribution of the money that's needed, not more of it.

[TheGayTent]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

Ahhh, notlob. That's not a name we've seen around here for a while.

I've been waiting for you to mention them given the shit they're in, and i'm quite surprised it's taken you so long as you used to be so vitriolic about specifically them (I never did know why).

 

For this very reason. Everyone went on and on about plucky old Bolton and how great it was that they were mixing it with the big boys without spending any money. 

When the truth was they bloody were of course - which I said for years. They were just spending Eddie's money not owing it to a bank like some others were. 

I don't know the ins and outs of it now but mr kettle has either run out of his filament fortune or just fed up with Gartside squandering his fortune and decided to take his ball home and keep it for good. 

[TheGayTent]

57 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I however maintain that increasing premiership money will just make clubs make increasingly stupid and make bigger mistakes.  I have heard several times after a big tv deal how things will change significantly and they never do.

What changes is the size of the gap. It's increasing. Particularly at the very top. 

[eFestivals]

9 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

For this very reason. Everyone went on and on about plucky old Bolton and how great it was that they were mixing it with the big boys without spending any money. 

When the truth was they bloody were of course - which I said for years. They were just spending Eddie's money not owing it to a bank like some others were. 

I don't know the ins and outs of it now but mr kettle has either run out of his filament fortune or just fed up with Gartside squandering his fortune and decided to take his ball home and keep it for good. 

Ahh, OK. I thought everyone knew they were spending money - just not in the same league as some others (perhaps WH and there's your gripe?).

And for whatever reason he's had enough, I don't think you can much knock him at his leaving point as he'll be writing off the debt.

It's the quitting owners who won''t write off the debts who are the real club-killers.

 

[pink_triangle]

10 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

What changes is the size of the gap. It's increasing. Particularly at the very top. 

I wouldnt argue with that, but its no different to 10 years ago in terms of richest clubs are the ones nearest the top. My main argument is about the clubs near the middle/bottom of the league. Some people seem to suggest that the money will mean they have their place for life, Im not sure it will make any difference.

[ThomThomDrum]

4 hours ago, eFestivals said:

yet there's a far greater probability that Leicester will win the league and Chelsea will be relegated.

All long shots are not the same. Some are much much much more likely than others.

This is all obvious stuff and I did not intend to equate the probability of one thing happening to be the same as the others. 

 

My point was quite simple really. Chelsea will not get relegated and Leicester will not win the league regardless of shortening odds. A fiver at 500,000/1 and a fiver at 500/1 is still a waste of a fiver

[TheGayTent]

26 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Ahh, OK. I thought everyone knew they were spending money - just not in the same league as some others (perhaps WH and there's your gripe?).

And for whatever reason he's had enough, I don't think you can much knock him at his leaving point as he'll be writing off the debt.

It's the quitting owners who won''t write off the debts who are the real club-killers.

 

Bolton spent far more than WHU ever did, their debt was greater than West Ham's despite having less than 50% of their revenue. 

I disliked Bolton because they played fucking awful hoof ball and were managed by a bung taking thunderc**t. To hear bollocks about what a great manager he was and that Bolton were a well run club stuck in the craw.

[TheGayTent]

27 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I wouldnt argue with that, but its no different to 10 years ago in terms of richest clubs are the ones nearest the top. 

The point is the rich clubs are protecting themselves and getting richer. That is exactly what the "Champions League" (sic) and the FPP rules are there for - to make sure they stay the richest. 

I repeat - the difference between now and 10 years ago is that the gap has grown. 

[eFestivals]

8 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

the FPP rules are there for - to make sure they stay the richest. 

I definitely agree with that part.

It would be easy to amend them to allow the gifting of money to a club (rather than as debt) if other criteria were also met, which would allow new clubs to challenge the dominance of the existing ones.

While I don't like how money has become such a dominant force in the game, it's not going away and the rules need to match the reality in a better way than they currently do.

[TheGayTent]

2 hours ago, ThomThomDrum said:

A fiver at 500,000/1 and a fiver at 500/1 is still a waste of a fiver

Not if one or both come in !

 

But I understand and agree with you - neither will come in and therefore they're the same. 

[pryce]

he has gone!

[TheGayTent]

Sacked after losing an away match to a team top of the league. 

Has to be unusual 

[jackarmy]

Hiddink back to Chelsea as interim manager?

[eFestivals]

[ThomThomDrum]

What a disaster! Im going to miss laughing at him when things were going wrong for him this year. It was great fun

[ThomThomDrum]

Interesting read on the German football experience

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2015/12/german-football-experience-mainz-hoffenheim/

TGT and others here can most likely back up a fair bit of what is being said here