Football 2015/16

[Wooderson]

Cabaye would be fantastic for anyone outside the top 3.

Coutinho

Henderson Milner

Can

He doesn't start at LFC. At 29 he's a punt for a top 7 club.

[TheGayTent]

Coutinho

Henderson Milner

Can

He doesn't start at LFC. At 29 he's a punt for a top 7 club.

Cabaye is a better player albeit a different player to Henderson. Then again that's my opinion and opinions as we know are like arseholes...

...in other news, the corriere della sport are reporting West Ham are close to signing Destro.

If he's fit, and of course, if it's true, that would be a very exciting signing. A real coup. Even if it's just on loan which I assume it would be.

Edited July 8, 2015 by TheGayTent

[kaosmark2]

Cabaye's better than Milner as well. I don't think it's a priority position for Liverpool, but I think he would be an improvement on their CM atm. I think the main thing is which teams need him most and can persuade him to join. Seemingly the Pardew connection is making a difference.

[Gucci Piggy]

Would have been a decent Arteta replacement. Although wouldn't be guaranteed first team.

[kaosmark2]

Although wouldn't be guaranteed first team.

Which is why he chose PSG over Arsenal, and why he's now leaving PSG....

[pink_triangle]

Cabaye is a better player albeit a different player to Henderson. Then again that's my opinion and opinions as we know are like arseholes...

That's my opinion as well. I think he is better than any Liverpool central (barring maybe coutiniob) midfielderelder. If they had him, they would work a formation to play him.

Edited July 9, 2015 by pink_triangle

[eFestivals]

Cabaye's better than Milner as well.

[Gucci Piggy]

He is...

[eFestivals]

He is...

Oh c'mon. He looked good in a poor Newc team.

But he still didn't look as good as Milner did in his last season at Villa.

[zahidf]

The sterling stuff is getting very messy. His phone number was leaked online, and he was getting threatheining calls from Pool fans.

 

He is also too 'ill' to play in the pre-season tour...

[eFestivals]

The sterling stuff is getting very messy. His phone number was leaked online, and he was getting threatheining calls from Pool fans.

 

He is also too 'ill' to play in the pre-season tour...

Yep. And supposedly City have hit their top money at £40M.

The guy's a dick. He should at least have the bollocks to put in a formal transfer request, rather than playing childish games on the instructions of his agent - who only cares about his agent's fee from making a transfer happen.

[The Nal]

Yep. And supposedly City have hit their top money at £40M.

The guy's a dick. He should at least have the bollocks to put in a formal transfer request, rather than playing childish games on the instructions of his agent - who only cares about his agent's fee from making a transfer happen.

 

Hes very young and cleary a bit thick. Fodder for nasty agents. Like Rooney, Tevez etc. I actually feel a bit sorry for him.

[pink_triangle]

Oh c'mon. He looked good in a poor Newc team.

But he still didn't look as good as Milner did in his last season at Villa.

I disagree, I think he looked better. From memory he was a regular in the last French world cup team, in a midfield much better than England.

[TheGayTent]

Oh c'mon. He looked good in a poor Newc team.

But he still didn't look as good as Milner did in his last season at Villa.

I'm not getting into a Cabaye v Milner debate. What i will say though is what the hell does the form of either player in 2010 have to do with anything? Not much I'd have thought...

[pink_triangle]

Hes very young and cleary a bit thick. Fodder for nasty agents. Like Rooney, Tevez etc. I actually feel a bit sorry for him.

I don't feel sympathy for him, end result is he gets a huge wage and fickle fans will love him if he performs.

Liverpool (like most club) have unsettled players under contract before, so I feel little sympathy for them either.

[zahidf]

Yep. And supposedly City have hit their top money at £40M.

The guy's a dick. He should at least have the bollocks to put in a formal transfer request, rather than playing childish games on the instructions of his agent - who only cares about his agent's fee from making a transfer happen.

 

He has apparently told the club he wants off though. Also, whilst he is being a dick, the press leaking of the situation from the club isn't helping at all. And he definitely doesn;t deserve to be abused over his personal phone!

[eFestivals]

He has apparently told the club he wants off though.

Yep, but that's not a formal transfer request. He wants to leave but he wants people to think he doesn't want to leave - just as some other 'big' players have done in the last decade or so.

And that's probably about money, too. I'm not sure if everything applies in the same way as decades ago still, but I think it applies to some extent at least - and that's the cut the player the gets of the fee if sold without having made a transfer request.

[TheGayTent]

Yep, but that's not a formal transfer request. He wants to leave but he wants people to think he doesn't want to leave - just as some other 'big' players have done in the last decade or so.

And that's probably about money, too. I'm not sure if everything applies in the same way as decades ago still, but I think it applies to some extent at least - and that's the cut the player the gets of the fee if sold without having made a transfer request.

It's not usual for a player to get a cut of the transfer fee his new club pays to his old club. It's the signing on fee (or part of it) he stands to lose from his old club that was agreed when he moved to his old club.

In this example it's likely that Sterling's transfer to Liverpool involved a signing on fee. Let's call it X. That X doesn't get paid to him upfront. It's spread over the duration of contract that he signed. So if he signed a five year contract he gets X/5 every year. If he hands in an official transfer request and is sold after 3 years - he'd lose 2/5ths of X. It's why signing on fees are often referred to as loyalty bonuses.

[eFestivals]

It's not usual for a player to get a cut of the transfer fee his new club pays to his old club. It's the signing on fee (or part of it) he stands to lose from his old club that was agreed when he moved to his old club.

In this example it's likely that Sterling's transfer to Liverpool involved a signing on fee. Let's call it X. That X doesn't get paid to him upfront. It's spread over the duration of contract that he signed. So if he signed a five year contract he gets X/5 every year. If he hands in an official transfer request and is sold after 3 years - he'd lose 2/5ths of X. It's why signing on fees are often referred to as loyalty bonuses.

 

Thanks for the explanation. That says there is at least money involved ... tho in the case of Sterling these are probably now insignificant amounts to him.

 

I'm under the impression it was something like I said in the pre-Prem days. Is that right, or am I mistaken?

[ThomThomDrum]

And that's probably about money, too. I'm not sure if everything applies in the same way as decades ago still, but I think it applies to some extent at least - and that's the cut the player the gets of the fee if sold without having made a transfer request.

 

But he insists its not about money!

[TheGayTent]

Thanks for the explanation. That says there is at least money involved ... tho in the case of Sterling these are probably now insignificant amounts to him.

I'm under the impression it was something like I said in the pre-Prem days. Is that right, or am I mistaken?

Well often nowadays, if the buying club is really keen on a player, to force through a deal they will unofficially (through agents) tell the player to put in an official transfer request and pay the player as part of his new deal, the amount of money the player loses from his old club by putting in the transfer request.

As for the old days, I can't really remember - things have changed so much. The biggest thing isn't the premier league, or even the huge amounts of money involved. It was 1995 and the Bosman ruling.

Up until that point a club could refuse to sell a player even were he out of contract. Effectively they could force him out of their own squad but not allow him to play elsewhere. The FA had a transfer tribunal system whereby they could set a transfer fee, but there was little advantage for the buying team as they were still forced to pay a lot of money for a player that was out of contract.

[eFestivals]

But he insists its not about money!

 

To be fair to him, I don't think it is.

 

To his agent of course it's very definitely about the money.

[eFestivals]

As for the old days, I can't really remember - things have changed so much. The biggest thing isn't the premier league, or even the huge amounts of money involved. It was 1995 and the Bosman ruling.

 

yeah, I'm aware that stuff like Bosman is what's brought about the biggest changes in how transfers happen, but I'm also aware that's after the start of the Prem. I simply went for the standard line that gets drawn nowadays for when footie changed, as I was sure of there being differences before the change to the Prem.

[thetime]

To be fair if Tom Cleverly joined Liverpool, Neil would think he was the new maradonna.

[eFestivals]

To be fair if Tom Cleverly joined Liverpool, Neil would think he was the new maradonna.

 

oh c'mon, I've said some things you reckon are pretty wacky, but nothing that wacky.