Tylcer, The Creator was refused entry into the UK because of his lyrics

[Andre91]

When he is allowed back into the country to perform, he's going to sell a shit load more tickets now.

[the wonderwhy]

The picture of a black man and a white man holding hands with the rainbow flag colours blasted over a neo-nazi symbol is. The t-shirt itself kinda isn't considering most of Tyler's fans are white middle class youths and, if just wearing it casually, the irony will be lost to a certain extent but it's probably in pretty limited supply anyway.

 

Suppose. 

 

Still a bit of a stupid thing to be selling. 

[Winslow Leach]

No, once again Neil you're oversimplifying. I believe free expression is justified. And that covers hate speech. Free speech doesn't end when your feelings get hurt.

 

 

I don't think we need to base art to the lowest common denominator

 

I admire your principles almost as much as I admire your ability to ignore the negative impact they're capable of having on the wellbeing and everyday lives of actual people. 

 

 

 

 

 

Which is not a lot.

[sjseabass]

I honestly don't understand how anyone can be in favour of banning him. 100% behind Yellow_Fellow on this. It's art. You may think it's shit art, fine. But it's still art. The fact it even says in the papers they gave Tyler that they recognise the stuff off Goblin is from the POV of an alter ego is fucking insane.

 

Slippery slope.

[devilman]

This country is totally fucked up. Terrorist hate preachers cost us millions to get rid of if we can at all and someone's song lyrics get them banned? It's a nonsense.

[Yellow_Fellow]

I admire your principles almost as much as I admire your ability to ignore the negative impact they're capable of having on the wellbeing and everyday lives of actual people. 

 

 

 

 

 

Which is not a lot.

I'm sure that all those gay fans that Tyler has recoil in horror when he says faggot, just as his female fans are physically unable to listen to the tracks with rape, and his own black friends have PTSD from that time he dropped a hard R

Man, saviour complex is strong here.

[dentalplan]

I honestly don't understand how anyone can be in favour of banning him. 100% behind Yellow_Fellow on this. It's art. You may think it's shit art, fine. But it's still art. The fact it even says in the papers they gave Tyler that they recognise the stuff off Goblin is from the POV of an alter ego is fucking insane.

 

Slippery slope.

 

Yup. I was looking at the legal literature about it on the Guardian link and it says "The list of unacceptable behaviours is indicative rather than exhaustive. It covers any non-UK citizen whether in the UK or abroad who uses any means or medium, including writing, producing, publishing or distributing material to express views which foment other serious criminal activity or seek to provoke others to serious criminal acts."

 

How much of rap music all together could be wiped off of UK festival bills and gig listings if they exercised that one? That is if they jump to the assumption (as they already have) that because people listen to it, they will do it, and where have we heard that a million times before?

[Mash011]

Yep, art with depictions of violence doesn't make people violent and art with depictions of homophobia doesn't make people homophobic. Governments trying to police what art they find acceptable isn't exactly a new thing but as always they will fail eventually. Tyler's lyrics are puerile shit but I believe pretty strongly in freedom of artists.

[sjseabass]

Guess it's all over for Run The Jewels playing the UK then, what with the start of Close Your Eyes (And Count To Fuck), for example.

 

Although maybe if it happened to guys as popular and acclaimed as they are right now it'd wake some people up.

[FloorFiller]

it's bizarre that this has happened to Tyler now, when he's all but discarded that image / stopped playing most of those songs live all together, rather than at the height of Odd Future's popularity when he had people chanting 'kill people, burn shit, fuck school' at every one of his shows and was promoting said albums. i haven't listened to Cherry Bomb enough to remember but i don't think it contains any of that past imagery. very confusing that they've targeted him now, in 2015, over anybody else, and that it hasn't happened before to say... the hundreds of rappers with similar lyrics (most of whom don't continuously say in their songs 'this isn't real', 'this is a character' and most importantly, 'don't do anything that i say in this song')

[Winslow Leach]

I'm sure that all those gay fans that Tyler has recoil in horror when he says faggot, just as his female fans are physically unable to listen to the tracks with rape, and his own black friends have PTSD from that time he dropped a hard R

Man, saviour complex is strong here.

 

It's almost as if neither of your comments I replied to even mentioned Tyler, and I was actually picking you up on your subreddit level freeze peach debating...

[mrtourette]

subreddit level freeze peach debating...

 

Thank you, I've been trying to put my finger on it for ages.

[sjseabass]

I guess the difference could be that the sociopaths are in power alone now, no Lib Dems to hold them back like when Tyler was actually touring that stuff.

10 more years of this shit to go...

[Winslow Leach]

I guess the difference could be that the sociopaths are in power alone now, no Lib Dems to hold them back like when Tyler was actually touring that stuff.

10 more years of this shit to go...

 

There are man, many ills that can be laid at the door of the current occupants of No.10.

 

This isn't one of them.

[Winslow Leach]

I guess the difference could be that the sociopaths are in power alone now, no Lib Dems to hold them back like when Tyler was actually touring that stuff.

10 more years of this shit to go...

 

Oh fine, I'll bite. Talk me through the logic here. If he's been banned (erroneously or otherwise, it's not really relevant) for inciting homophobia, how does this fit with it being the fault of socially conservative sociopaths?

[eFestivals]

Yep, art with depictions of violence doesn't make people violent and art with depictions of homophobia doesn't make people homophobic. Governments trying to police what art they find acceptable isn't exactly a new thing but as always they will fail eventually. Tyler's lyrics are puerile shit but I believe pretty strongly in freedom of artists.

No one is restricting his 'art'. Added hyperbole adds no clarity to the discussion.

What is being restricted is his entry into the UK, which he wishes to use as a platform for his 'art'.

Whether or not the rules are being correctly applied to him might be argued over.

Whether or not the UK should be opening its doors to hate-speakers is a different consideration.

Edited September 2, 2015 by eFestivals

[Mash011]

No one is restricting his 'art'. Added hyperbole adds no clarity to the discussion.

What is being restricted is his entry into the UK, which he wishes to use as a platform for his 'art'.

Whether or not the rules are being correctly applied to him might be argued over.

Whether or not the UK should be opening its doors to hate-speakers is a different consideration.

 

Live performance is a form of art.

[eFestivals]

Live performance is a form of art.

 

then let's welcome the ISIS Performing Troupe for a bit of live beheading

 

Hopefully you can see that would unacceptable.

 

So why should one crime be actionable, while another is not-actionable?

Edited September 2, 2015 by eFestivals

[Mash011]

then let's welcome the ISIS Performing Troupe for a bit of live beheading

 

Hopefully you can see that would unacceptable.

 

So why should one crime be actionable, while another is not-actionable?

 

Might be shocking to you but last I checked but Tyler has lyrics about killing people in his songs, while ISIS actually kill people. But obviously you know that you're just creating a bullshit false equivalence there.

[eFestivals]

Might be shocking to you but last I checked but Tyler has lyrics about killing people in his songs, while ISIS actually kill people. But obviously you know that you're just creating a bullshit false equivalence there.

 

I repeat: I am talking in general terms, and not specifically about Tyler.

 

If someone is known to have over-stepped our hate-word laws, why should they be allowed access to the UK where they might do so again?

 

Just to remind you, our hate-word laws are about not being to allowed to incite hate towards others on the basis of race, nationality, religion or sexuality.

Edited September 2, 2015 by eFestivals

[Yellow_Fellow]

freeze peach debating

It's nice when people make you consciously aware that their argument boils down to vomiting off memes, and using the term freeze peach is a fantastic way to show me that. Thanks for the heads up.

[Winslow Leach]

It's nice when people make you consciously aware that their argument boils down to vomiting off memes, and using the term freeze peach is a fantastic way to show me that. Thanks for the heads up.

 

No worries m8. I'd already made my assumptions about your argument based on your own use of buzz phrases, so I guess we're even.

[Yellow_Fellow]

No worries m8. I'd already made my assumptions about your argument based on your own use of buzz phrases, so I guess we're even.

I'm sure you had mate, I'm sure you had.

[mrtourette]

[mrtourette]

Hope I don't get banned from the UK for that.