Football 17/18

[TheGayTent]

With the fixtures revealed thought it time to open the new thread. 

Top flight opening weekend fixtures:

Arsenal v Leicester City

Brighton v Manchester City

Chelsea v Burnley

Crystal Palace v Huddersfield Town

Everton v Stoke City

Manchester United v West Ham United

Newcastle United v Tottenham

Southampton v Swansea City

Watford v Liverpool

West Bromwich Albion v Bournemouth

[Hugh Jass]

Huddersfield's last four - Chelsea, Everton, Man City, Arsenal

Brighton's last four - Spurs, Burnley, Man Utd, Liverpool.

Ouch.

[TheGayTent]

Doesn't Brighton's last 4 look kind? 

[Hugh Jass]

Leicester have bid £10m for Evans. Ten million? Are they taking the piss? Especially when they're bidding £16m for Maguire. Treble that figure and maybe we would talk

[TheGayTent]

29 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

Leicester have bid £10m for Evans. Ten million? Are they taking the piss? Especially when they're bidding £16m for Maguire. Treble that figure and maybe we would talk

One is not yet 25, the other is nearly 30. 

£30m wouldn't be taking the piss, it'd be la la land.

[Hugh Jass]

6 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

One is not yet 25, the other is nearly 30. 

£30m wouldn't be taking the piss, it'd be la la land.

£30m for the best most consistent centre half outside the top 6 is a fair price in this market. At 29 he's in his prime, a seasoned international and has won titles and played Champions league football. There is no way he's worth less than Maguire, even in this mental market.

[pink_triangle]

48 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

Leicester have bid £10m for Evans. Ten million? Are they taking the piss? Especially when they're bidding £16m for Maguire. Treble that figure and maybe we would talk

How long have they both got left on their contract? Just checked McGuire 1 year, seems a bit overpriced.

Edited June 14, 2017 by pink_triangle

[Hugh Jass]

2 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

How long have they both got left on their contract?

Evans has two years at least.

[TheGayTent]

30 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

£30m for the best most consistent centre half outside the top 6 is a fair price in this market.

I disagree. At the end of a prospective 4 year contract he's got minimal re-sale value and any potential fee will reflect that. 

30 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

There is no way he's worth less than Maguire, even in this mental market.

Different argument. 

[Hugh Jass]

11 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

I disagree. At the end of a prospective 4 year contract he's got minimal re-sale value and any potential fee will reflect that. 

Different argument. 

I don't think clubs think as much about resale value these days in the wake of the latest TV deal. Leicester dropped £25m on Slimani last season who was 28, RVP, Bolasie, Pedro, Luiz (twice)... all late 20's, all went for fees well in excess of £20m in the last few years. Arsenal were happy to pay £20m for Vardy.  Resale value no longer as much a concern as it was, clubs think a lot more short term these days.  

[mjsell]

Maguire is certainly not worth £17m. The world has gone mad.

[TheGayTent]

10 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

I don't think clubs think as much about resale value these days in the wake of the latest TV deal. Leicester dropped £25m on Slimani last season who was 28, RVP, Bolasie, Pedro, Luiz (twice)... all late 20's, all went for fees well in excess of £20m in the last few years. Arsenal were happy to pay £20m for Vardy.  Resale value no longer as much a concern as it was, clubs think a lot more short term these days.  

Almost all forwards....

[Hugh Jass]

2 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

Almost all forwards....

And? Defenders tend to last longer than attackers, we have a 37 year old starting regularly for us (not for much longer hopefully). If Evans takes care of himself he's still got another 6 or so years at the top level.

[TheGayTent]

20 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

And? 

And strikers cost more than defenders.

Not many clubs 'drop' £30m on defenders, not many clubs 'drop' £30m on defenders who are nearly 30 years old, not many clubs 'drop' £30m on a defender of Evans' quality. 

He ain't worth £30m ! 

[pink_triangle]

21 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

And? Defenders tend to last longer than attackers, we have a 37 year old starting regularly for us (not for much longer hopefully). If Evans takes care of himself he's still got another 6 or so years at the top level.

Forwards have always cost more than defenders. 

[thetime]

Evans has come along way from being ridiculed   by all and sundry in his Utd days.

[Gucci Piggy]

Wasn't Evans seen as a great prospect until he had injury problems? I thought he just came back from them, was no longer seen as having the potential to be good enough for United and then moved to West Brom who seemed like his level.

Similar to when Phil Jones and Chris Smalling move to smaller teams now they're clearly not gonna become good enough for a title-challenging United.

[thetime]

14 hours ago, Will-2609 said:

Wasn't Evans seen as a great prospect until he had injury problems? I thought he just came back from them, was no longer seen as having the potential to be good enough for United and then moved to West Brom who seemed like his level.

Similar to when Phil Jones and Chris Smalling move to smaller teams now they're clearly not gonna become good enough for a title-challenging United.

It more down to Evans not stepping up as the main player as rio and vidic were coming to the end. Which is a bit unfair as those 2 were immense for Utd. It's the position that Utd are still struggling to fill adequately, which is perhaps the biggest problem at the minute.

He got heavily criticised for his performances by fans and media, he made the right choice in re building his career elsewhere.

Edited June 18, 2017 by thetime

[TheGayTent]

Celtic v Linfield is a potentially interesting game 

[Comfy Bean]

30 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

Celtic v Linfield is a potentially interesting game 

Thought the possibility of the 12th July was a wind up but apparently not.

[CRW5252]

31 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

Celtic v Linfield is a potentially interesting game 

Celtic should brush them aside. Pro vs semi pro

[TheGayTent]

1 hour ago, CRW5252 said:

Celtic should brush them aside. Pro vs semi pro

I was referring to the supporter angle with regards to the interest - on the pitch, it should be men against boys - if Linfield get through 

[Hugh Jass]

3 hours ago, CRW5252 said:

Celtic should brush them aside. Pro vs semi pro

Didn't people say that about the Gibraltan part-timers last year?

[Hugh Jass]

Mourinho's the latest to be accused of dodging tax in Spain.

http://www.football365.com/news/spanish-prosecutor-claims-against-mourinho-for-tax-fraud

[zahidf]

Matic to UTD for 40 million

A surprise considering what went down at Jose's last year at Chelsea