Mad Cool 2018

[birchtree29]

2 hours ago, arcuse said:

There is gonna be no announcement this week according to my source.. Which is strange..

Jack White will announce his new album this Friday so if he is going to headline, the announcement will not be earlier than Friday.

Arctic Monkeys is also announce their album sometime this month, so if they are going to headline, it will probably not be this week.

[Gucci Piggy]

6 minutes ago, OddRon said:

Surely if this week was the Arctic Monkeys Announcement, Mad Cool wouldn't want to be the last festival to announce them and the band themselves probably want everyone announcing at once, which makes me think this week was meant to be Jack White and next week was meant to be Arctic Monkeys but they may just combine them or delay Jack White and just announce Arctic Monkeys next week alone

They said they didn't know if a headliner was going to be involved in this week's announcement, anyway. My take is that they're now free to announce Jack White who was potentially going to be announced this week alongside other acts. Arctic Monkeys will have a fixed announcement date mid-Jan I'm sure.

Edited January 8, 2018 by Gucci Piggy

[Gucci Piggy]

Just now, birchtree29 said:

Jack White will announce his new album this Friday so if he is going to headline, the announcement will not be earlier than Friday.

Arctic Monkeys is also announce their album sometime this month, so if they are going to headline, it will probably not be this week.

Where did you get that from about Jack White? He announced an American festival last week anyway, before any album has been announced.

[birchtree29]

1 hour ago, Gucci Piggy said:

Where did you get that from about Jack White? He announced an American festival last week anyway, before any album has been announced.

He got announced for Governor's Ball and Boston Calling which are both competitors of Coachella. Coachella always announce it's full lineup in the first week of the year. Some artists even have exclusive priority announcement deals for Coachella. Jack White might have had that agreement with Governor's Ball and Boston Calling too. In U.S. festivals, they release the lineup as a whole instead of separate announcements, so the U.S. festivals got the priority there. Since the album announcement is so close, some big European festivals besides Mad Cool might be waiting for this announcement.

[DHG123]

30 minutes ago, bluenova said:

Didn't someone earlier in the thread suggest they didn't want to have the announcements linked to the price increase when they were so close to selling out.

It sounds like they're over thinking if that is the case, but maybe the idea is that they don't want to announce with just a handful of tickets left, they'd rather have lots (which isn't not going to happen), or be already sold out?

They might also be able to back out of Jack White or Arctics depending on contracts given they’ll sell out anyway. Even if they only book one the line up will still look good in future years if they’re worried about that.

[arcuse]

19 minutes ago, DHG123 said:

They might also be able to back out of Jack White or Arctics depending on contracts given they’ll sell out anyway. Even if they only book one the line up will still look good in future years if they’re worried about that.

They simply won't because Mad Cool isn't the only LN festival having both acts, it would make 0 sense to back out of a contract simply because "you've sold enough".

[MatheauWillis]

I have a reliable source that has told me TRNSMT will be announcing Arctic Monkeys in the last week of this month so I wouldn't hold your breath for anything happening with regards to them specifically next week either.

[MatheauWillis]

I felt like a bit of a w*nker saying "reliable source" there. But genuinely.

[Joshua Homme]

It's now official, no announcements for this week 

[DHG123]

12 minutes ago, arcuse said:

They simply won't because Mad Cool isn't the only LN festival having both acts, it would make 0 sense to back out of a contract simply because "you've sold enough".

Except the sense would be that lower costs mean more profit. 

[bluenova]

4 minutes ago, DHG123 said:

Except the sense would be that lower costs mean more profit. 

Surely only if it's a regular occurrence, and artists expect it?

Otherwise for a company with dozens of headline spots across multiple festivals, the saving of one band in one year, would hardly match up against the loss of confidence for future bookings.

[gregory]

6 minutes ago, DHG123 said:

Except the sense would be that lower costs mean more profit. 

I kinda agree with you @DHG123... Considering AM and JW will be touring for at least a year, MC could easily postpone them to next years festival. Assuming either of them are actually even playing this years lol...

[Bury420]

Are they actually building that connection tunnel to the IFEMA? Would be great. On streetview it looks like there's a tunnel from the IFEMA side but can't see an exit on the other side, only a tunnel leading to the motorway.

[arcuse]

6 minutes ago, DHG123 said:

Except the sense would be that lower costs mean more profit. 

Except, what kind of festival would back out of a contract for 2 headliners just to gain them more profit + with what kind of headliners would they come then with? + How can you as a festival offer the same price for Friday tickets in comparison to the other two days when those are clearly 'better'. It makes zero sense what you're saying  

[AAlex]

Bar Tool has confirmed that there's no announcement this week, 'they see it better that way'.

I guess who it is next week depends on when the agreed date for Arctics is, I can't see them being able to change that. If them being announced for TRNSMT end of the month is true hopefully we'll see Jack White on the poster soon (assuming it's him). I did see Rock Werchter post their next announcement is coming 'Mid Jan' so assumed that would be Arctics related and be W/C 15th Jan, but I suppose they aren't necessarily going to be the next name they announce.

[neacaisa]

sorry guys, it makes zero sense to postpone/cancel a huge name without a solid reason. it affects credibility too much. the AM cancelled theory does not make any sense. if they are not booked, probably the negociations were not successful and one side pulled off. ofc doing this bc the sales went way above expectations makes sense, but i don't think this will ever be the case on an already done deal.

[Gucci Piggy]

1 hour ago, birchtree29 said:

He got announced for Governor's Ball and Boston Calling which are both competitors of Coachella. Coachella always announce it's full lineup in the first week of the year. Some artists even have exclusive priority announcement deals for Coachella. Jack White might have had that agreement with Governor's Ball and Boston Calling too. In U.S. festivals, they release the lineup as a whole instead of separate announcements, so the U.S. festivals got the priority there. Since the album announcement is so close, some big European festivals besides Mad Cool might be waiting for this announcement.

Fair enough. Where did you get this about his album being announced on Friday, though? I've seen nothing about that other than someone posting about that vault 35 thing in here, which won't be an album announcement.

1 hour ago, DHG123 said:

They might also be able to back out of Jack White or Arctics depending on contracts given they’ll sell out anyway. Even if they only book one the line up will still look good in future years if they’re worried about that.

 

25 minutes ago, gregory said:

I kinda agree with you @DHG123... Considering AM and JW will be touring for at least a year, MC could easily postpone them to next years festival. Assuming either of them are actually even playing this years lol...

No way in hell does a festival do this. How's that gonna look when booking headliners for next year?

"Hi Mick Jagger we'd like you to headline our festival"

"Well last year you cancelled one of your headliners because you'd sold enough tickets without them. How do we know you're not gonna do that with us?"

"Well you don't know that, but we want you to agree anyway with there being a chance we'll boot you off the lineup at any point"

And anyway, even if Jack White and/or Arctic Monkeys will be touring next year, they'll have plans to play other Spanish festivals then.

Edited January 8, 2018 by Gucci Piggy

[Gucci Piggy]

Also they've already confirmed that there's two headliners coming, and the poster is laid out to make it clear there's two headliners coming. Would be stupid beyond belief to cancel one of them.

[gregory]

7 minutes ago, Gucci Piggy said:

Also they've already confirmed that there's two headliners coming, and the poster is laid out to make it clear there's two headliners coming. Would be stupid beyond belief to cancel one of them.

they didn't 'confirm' anything officially, just some guy posting on a message board, CM or not

[Gucci Piggy]

Just now, gregory said:

they didn't 'confirm' anything officially, just some guy posting on a message board, CM or not

Yeah, so someone working for the festival confirmed it. Also the poster pretty much says it.

[Joshua Homme]

Some guy that has gotten everything correct so far and seems to be MC's director himself, not just their CM.

It's pretty obvious that there will not be any cancellation.

Edited January 8, 2018 by Joshua Homme

[DHG123]

So they put another band there to co-headline that doesn’t cost as much and move jack white to another live nation festival that isn’t doing as well on sales. So he still gets his fees and simply plays a diff fest.

This is a business and to think bands can cancel when they like (cough Metallica) but festivals can’t is clearly untrue.

never said there’d be a change and this isn’t a rumour any more than an idea but it would make lots of sense for a business. Festivals are set up to make money.

Edited January 8, 2018 by DHG123

[dentalplan]

40 minutes ago, gregory said:

I kinda agree with you @DHG123... Considering AM and JW will be touring for at least a year, MC could easily postpone them to next years festival. Assuming either of them are actually even playing this years lol...

Jack White won’t be. Neither of his solo album tours went over a year, and after the last one he got so sick of touring he called a live hiatus.

[DHG123]

27 minutes ago, DHG123 said:

So they put another band there to co-headline that doesn’t cost as much and move jack white to another live nation festival that isn’t doing as well on sales. So he still gets his fees and simply plays a diff fest.

This is a business and to think bands can cancel when they like (cough Metallica) but festivals can’t is clearly untrue.

never said there’d be a change and this isn’t a rumour any more than an idea but it would make lots of sense for a business. Festivals are set up to make money.

Lol that’s right down vote me, it’s definitely completely unrealistic to think a business might reallocate resources when they’ve already maximised revenue. And contracts never ever have clauses to offer either party flexibility.

The world is actually made of candy floss and money grows on trees.

[Gucci Piggy]

1 hour ago, DHG123 said:

So they put another band there to co-headline that doesn’t cost as much and move jack white to another live nation festival that isn’t doing as well on sales. So he still gets his fees and simply plays a diff fest.

This is a business and to think bands can cancel when they like (cough Metallica) but festivals can’t is clearly untrue.

never said there’d be a change and this isn’t a rumour any more than an idea but it would make lots of sense for a business. Festivals are set up to make money.

Move him to another festival when he probably already has his touring schedule mapped out? Move him to another festival put on by the same company (which almost definitely already has its headliners booked) and book another headliner in his place, therefore actually costing Live Nation more money? Just assume Jack White is happy to play wherever they want him to go? If he's been booked to play Mad Cool, he's gonna play Mad Cool.

Even if this year's festival is sold out, they'll be thinking about the long-term future of the festival. Having as strong as possible lineup in the early years will put the festival in people's minds for 2019 onwards when they're thinking about what festival to attend.