When will this shit end?

[Andy0808 v5]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

just need to use good old british common sense...something only us brits were born with.

 

[Ayrshire Chris]

Must admit I was a bit shocked seeing some of the beach scenes on tv this morning although those on the beach at Weston super mare did seem to be observing social distancing. As we are still in lock down no one is on our beach (apart from the nesting swan!),  all the chip shops, car parks, ferries are restricted to essential workers and island residents, ice cream huts etc shut and the police still patrolling.  Things may change today but the fear is that we have an elderly population and several care homes here and the though of an influx of tourists from the cities is worrying locals. I suppose it has to happen sometime. 

[zahidf]

My plans/2020 reality 

[priest17]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

just need to use good old british common sense...something only us brits were born with.

And can't agree on ahah

[Ayrshire Chris]

4 minutes ago, Andy0808 v5 said:

 

such a sensible population we live amongst!  A bit of tool on tool action! 

[DeanoL]

48 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

That's not quite true for everyone is it? Plenty of people, key workers or otherwise, are going to have to go back to work and have no choice in the matter. So it would be nice if selfish dickheads could restrict their socialising just a bit. Too much to ask though, apparently.

It's also possible they are the same people, who somewhat understandably are thinking "well I'm going to catch it from work, and all my family will catch it from me, so why the fuck not go beach?"

And all these people are only putting themselves and each other at risk. Not the rest of us. At least not directly. 

Yeah, I'm sure it sucks if you live next door to a beach and have enjoyed having it all to yourself the past few months, to now not being able to go there safely because it's full of people. Boo-fucking-hoo.

[Cream Soda]

38 minutes ago, zahidf said:

UK is fourth in infections at the moment, behind US, Brazil and russia. We apparently have more deaths than brazil and russia, bit they are almost definitely lying about their death rate.

Russia are only counting deaths that they feel were 100% caused by covid, whereas we (and lots of other places) count deaths with covid on the certificate, even if it wasn't the main cause of death.  No idea what Brazil are doing though.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

It's also possible they are the same people, who somewhat understandably are thinking "well I'm going to catch it from work, and all my family will catch it from me, so why the fuck not go beach?"

And all these people are only putting themselves and each other at risk. Not the rest of us. At least not directly. 

Yeah, I'm sure it sucks if you live next door to a beach and have enjoyed having it all to yourself the past few months, to now not being able to go there safely because it's full of people. Boo-fucking-hoo.

There’s no need to be a twat about it. People are clearly concerned about the spread of the virus, and that type of attitude from you isn’t needed.

 

I highly doubt the issue is that people want the beach to themselves. It’s more about people being outside and whether that’s the best course of action at this time. 

[zahidf]

It's worth nothing that around a month ago people were having a go at people sitting in parks e.t.c and getting on tubes in london, and london at the moment has a super low infection rate.

Most of the infections now seem to be in the care homes. Be careful of course but I dont see the point in getting angry with people in parks/beaches when a lot of those photos are forced perspectives ones.

[DeanoL]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

I highly doubt the issue is that people want the beach to themselves. It’s more about people being outside and whether that’s the best course of action at this time. 

It's probably the best course of action for me - let them go out and get sick. Long term that reduces my risk. It's basically the government strategy - let people get ill, when the numbers go up blame them for ignoring guidelines.

But the vast majority of people complaining about the numbers and posting photographs or telling us what they've seen "on their travels" are as much part of the problem as the solution. They're not staying either. There have been plenty of examples on this thread, nevermind in the media at large. 

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

55 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

 Starting to wonder why I'm bothering to stick to the rules when no other fucker seems to be.

I understand that fully. However, those breaking the 'rules' wouldn't think that way if they got a 5 years sentence for breaking them. That's the kind of draconian measures that have been taken elsewhere (actually 12 years in Vietnam), and have been proven to have worked 100%.  So it's a toss up really - what do people want? Do they want themselves and other people in the country to live, or do they want to gamble with their own lives and that of others - not that the later should be an option for them? 

I guess one of the problems is that, like with a lot of events in life, people don't think it will happen to them or theirs. The reality is that people are dying a fucking horrible death. I personally know of two people who have died. It's not that far away. It's just around the corner waiting. 

[whitehorses]

Big swell hitting UK from Friday onwards. Busy beaches and water and no lifeguards could be a problem... 

[Toilet Duck]

13 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Have we seen any countries where the r has massively jumped since lockdown easing ? I know Germany had a daily fluctuation .... how quickly do we see accurate changes coming through ? 

As it happens, no! Though it raises some interesting questions.

The first thing to consider is why individual infections seeded into Europe in January/February didn't result in a rapid rise in case numbers. There are documented cases going back quite a bit (I was in London at the end of January and there were already cases at that stage)...but they didn't amount to much (or did they and we didn't identify them as such?...really need an answer to that one). As we move back out of restrictions, are we back at that point? or do we have enough clusters still in existence for it to spread rapidly again? The public health measures put in place are those traditionally used to curb the spread of infectious diseases. Most of the modelling builds from plans we have to deal with flu. However, biology is pretty complex and variable (and it appears that this virus spreads in a different way to flu, but we are still only learning about this). The paper suggesting super-spreader events are the principal drivers of community infection rates seems to fit with what is happening in places where restrictions have been eased (clusters emerge in confined settings, but there aren't massive outbreaks when people are let out and about while practicing some source control and a degree of social distancing). How much virus you are exposed to seems to play a key role in whether you develop an infection (this isn't all that strange, if I serially dilute any virus and put it on cells, there's a lower threshold below which the cells won't become infected, more so if you do it in something with an immune system), so it explains why healthcare workers and patients in hospital are picking it up so frequently since they are exposed to a lot of virus. It's bad news for pubs, clubs, gigs and festivals, but reasonably good news for most other things (opening schools in Denmark doesn't seem to have resulted in a massive spike yet, but they aren't operating as normal, I'd wait to see how they can be managed safely before jumping in too quickly, school year is almost over anyway, so I'm not sure it's worth the risk...an earlier start, slightly longer days and shorter holidays next year could make up the lost learning, though I know there are many other facets related to schools that need to be considered). The question is whether the virus peters out on it's own with an R below 1 for a prolonged period, or whether it bubbles away under the surface and comes back with a bang as soon as we start up super-spreading events again. Unfortunately, we really don't know yet (Korea certainly saw this when they reopened clubs). Tracking what happens to the virus once things open up again is crucial to understanding what can safely go ahead and have little impact on spread and what things really pose the greatest risk. Before wave 1, this was based on information from Wuhan and Italy (plus age old public health measures), now there are a load of different scenarios to gain information from since lockdowns have varied across the world, strategies have varied and putting together what works and what doesn't is part of the next big job in figuring out how we coexist with this for a while (obviously while also keeping a very close eye on what the virus is doing). 

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, whitehorses said:

Big swell hitting UK from Friday onwards. Busy beaches and water and no lifeguards could be a problem... 

second wave?

[Cream Soda]

13 minutes ago, Yoghurt on a Stick said:

those breaking the 'rules' wouldn't think that way if they got a 5 years sentence for breaking them. That's the kind of draconian measures that have been taken elsewhere (actually 12 years in Vietnam), and have been proven to have worked 100%.  

12 years, wow.  Do we really want to see things go the same way as that in this country though?  I personally don't. 

[Zoo Music Girl]

33 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

It's also possible they are the same people, who somewhat understandably are thinking "well I'm going to catch it from work, and all my family will catch it from me, so why the fuck not go beach?"

And all these people are only putting themselves and each other at risk. Not the rest of us. At least not directly. 

Yeah, I'm sure it sucks if you live next door to a beach and have enjoyed having it all to yourself the past few months, to now not being able to go there safely because it's full of people. Boo-fucking-hoo.

I don't understand this argument at all. Don't these people then go to the supermarket? And then if they get sick to the hospital?

Also if that last comment is aimed at me I live nowhere near a bloody beach and have been sharing my park walks with loads of people since day one. Social distancing has been observed by about 70% of people I've seen, but in the past week it seems all bets are off in terms of huge social groups gathering.

[TheFullShaboo]

8 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

I don't understand this argument at all. Don't these people then go to the supermarket? And then if they get sick to the hospital?

Also if that last comment is aimed at me I live nowhere near a bloody beach and have been sharing my park walks with loads of people since day one. Social distancing has been observed by about 70% of people I've seen, but in the past week it seems all bets are off in terms of huge social groups gathering.

From what i've seen its usually okay if they post a photo with the caption 'social distancing park dates' or something similar. 

[Gilgamesh69]

Should have been heading down to Bearded Theory today... 😒

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, TheFullShaboo said:

From what i've seen its usually okay if they post a photo with the caption 'social distancing park dates' or something similar. 

😂 it’s also usually ‘liked’ by the same people that a few short weeks ago blasted ‘stay at home’ all over their FB and Insta feeds.

Edited May 21, 2020 by Ozanne

[Avalon_Fields]

54 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Should have been heading down to Bearded Theory today... 😒

What's the chances for BT in September do you reckon? I'm still clinging to a vague hope...

[priest17]

People suggesting the government should trust the people have these shits to contend with

 

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, priest17 said:

People suggesting the government should trust the people have these shits to contend with

 

I’d just that very second seen that tweet  

[Ayrshire Chris]

12 minutes ago, priest17 said:

People suggesting the government should trust the people have these shits to contend with

 

Obviously wasn’t at school the day irony was taught in the English lesson! 

[priest17]

1 minute ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

Obviously wasn’t at school the day irony was taught in the English lesson! 

I dunno, his clothes don't look too creased to me.

 

(for the record, neither was I)

[stuartbert two hats]

10 minutes ago, priest17 said:

People suggesting the government should trust the people have these shits to contend with

 

This is the problem with the mood music that's going round.  The whole "social bubble" thing about being able to define an extended social group where you're all allowed to mix isn't a bad idea, and should be relatively safe.  But it's not part of what we're allowed to do yet.  Unsurprisingly, some people have got wind it's coming and mixed that up to think that families can do in and out of each others houses now.

The messaging is a bit of a mess.