Primavera Sound 2021

[Ohjesus]

England on semi lockdown again from Monday dammit 

[Ohjesus]

Actually it’s not even as clear cut as that. I have no idea. Fuck boris. 

[xxialac]

1 hour ago, Ohjesus said:

Actually it’s not even as clear cut as that. I have no idea. Fuck boris. 

It's not really a lockdown at all. They're just saying no gatherings of more than 6 people without social distancing, which seems sensible for once, given the rising threat.

Agree with your last point wholeheartedly.

[daveje]

Trends in all Western European countries are pretty bad right now, and that's before autumn/winter fully kicks in.

[xxialac]

1 hour ago, daveje said:

Trends in all Western European countries are pretty bad right now, and that's before autumn/winter fully kicks in.

I'm not saying it's not bad but it looks much worse than it really is because they are doing lots of testing (unlike during the peak when in reality the infected numbers were 3x higher).

Summer/Winter is a double edged sword as though in Winter you have better conditions for the virus, there's also far less human socialising.

[sinivali]

On 9/7/2020 at 12:07 PM, xxialac said:

FWIW the UK Health Secretary said they were working on 30minute "tests on arrival" to allow arts events to go ahead (he mentioned the theatre but similar principles) even without a vaccine.

There's still more time to go until PS21 than has passed since the start of lockdown...

tbf you might as well be reading tea leaves rather than taking the word of Matt Hancock on anything

[thespiral]

 

Warning ...Mr Buzzkill about to post 😉..... 

I'll be amazed now if the festival goes ahead. 

Have friends in the industry - bands that have played Primavera - they all say forget festivals next year, can't see it happening - nobody currently can really book or plan anything  They are looking to 2022 now.

There also seems some talk of 'gate testing' or covid passports , not just for festivals but sports venues, theatres etc......just cannot see that happening. Besides the fact that the test doesn't exist yet .....there is then the logistics ....so potentially hundreds or thousands of people mingling waiting to get a test to get into a venue ?? Some of whom may have the virus. Just can't see that being allowed.

I hope beyond hope that a miracle happens but right now I'm giving it a *tiny* chance of going ahead 

 

 

 

[xxialac]

48 minutes ago, thespiral said:

 

Warning ...Mr Buzzkill about to post 😉..... 

I'll be amazed now if the festival goes ahead. 

Have friends in the industry - bands that have played Primavera - they all say forget festivals next year, can't see it happening - nobody currently can really book or plan anything  They are looking to 2022 now.

There also seems some talk of 'gate testing' or covid passports , not just for festivals but sports venues, theatres etc......just cannot see that happening. Besides the fact that the test doesn't exist yet .....there is then the logistics ....so potentially hundreds or thousands of people mingling waiting to get a test to get into a venue ?? Some of whom may have the virus. Just can't see that being allowed.

I hope beyond hope that a miracle happens but right now I'm giving it a *tiny* chance of going ahead 

 

 

 

Just to refute some points

That test does exist now, it’s just that it’s efficacy is unproven.

There are not ‘hundreds of thousands of people’ waiting to get into Primavera at any one time.

We don’t know what impact having a vaccine in operation will have on all of this, nor the timing of it. Certainly the bands have no superior knowledge on this.
 
There is some planning happening. Some bands have planned to play primavera and other events around June. European bands can make final plans at a pretty late junction and all but the biggest bands are desperate to earn again so are highly motivated. And we are still 8 months away....
 

 

Edited September 9, 2020 by xxialac

[jannybruck]

Some news from the Telegraph today about the fast saliva tests below. I'm sure many more EU places will have their own variations on the go at the moment too.

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Two new fast tests were launched on Wednesday that could help pave the way for mass testing.

One, by British AI specialists iAbra, uses microscopic holographic imaging to “see” Covid-19 molecules and produces results with 99.5 per cent accuracy in 20 seconds.

A second fast saliva-based Covid test by HALO, a British biotech firm, is to be rolled out at Exeter University for symptomatic and vulnerable students.

They were unveiled on the day Boris Johnson spelled out his "Moonshot" programme aimed at delivering 10 million tests a day by early next year in a bid to restore "normal life."

The iAbra test, validated as 99.8 per cent accurate by Bristol University, is claimed to be 50 times more sensitive than the current PCR test used by the NHS which means that it could detect Covid-19 infections far earlier before people displayed symptoms.

The British-invented test is designed to provide mass screening so that people could enter a football stadium, theatre or plane in the knowledge that others joining them were highly unlikely to be infected.

It bypasses the need for overburdened laboratories which have been blamed for delays in test and trace by providing on-the-spot results in seconds.

People swab saliva from their cheek and tongue before placing the sample in a cartridge that is analysed by a digital camera linked to artificial intelligence that can recognise the proteins on an individual Covid-19 cell.

It has the capability to see ten molecules of the virus in a single saliva sample, compared with around 500 needed for a conventional PCR test with the result, negative or positive, provided 20 seconds after the cartridge is inserted in the screening box.

“We can find someone before they are infectious,” said Greg Compton, chief executive of iAbra, the Bedfordshire company which has created the test.

It has been backed by Intel, the multinational technology giant, and is being produced by TT Electronics, an LSE-listed 5,000 employee company.

The technology, which is registered with the UK medical regulator MHRA, has been trialled at Heathrow as part of the Government’s Condor programme to develop mass-testing and is due to undergo Public Health England (PHE) clinical trials within the next few weeks.

The company hopes to produce up to 15,000 of the screening units in the next two months, each of which could test some 1,650 people per day.

John Holland Kaye, Heathrow’s chief executive, said: “It is quicker and cheaper and potentially more accurate [than the PCR tests]. We urge the Government to fast track this technology to protect the economy and help save millions of jobs in this country.”

It came as HALO, a British biotech company, unveiled its fast saliva-based Covid test, which is ten times more sensitive than the PCR test and can provide results in under seven hours via an app.

The HALO test is to be used by Exeter University for students who display symptoms and on targeted vulnerable groups and the company is in talks with a global airline, a medical research facility, City firms and other businesses.

“It is designed for large British organisations to test their people conveniently and painlessly and get them back to work safely and cost-effectively,” said the company.

 

[burnleynotbarcelona]

Larmer Tree Festival already pulled for 2021:

https://larmertreefestival.co.uk/news/larmer-tree-festival-2021-news

 

[youcoolman69]

Autechre was recently announced for this festival next year, start of July:

https://www.terraformafestival.com/

[puckno]

On 9/9/2020 at 6:11 PM, thespiral said:

right now I'm giving it a *tiny* chance of going ahead 

If suddenly a lot of different vaccines get ready at the same time and manage to establish huge production facilities by end of year and and start rolling out on a big scale (tens of millions) January-February 2021 we might still have a chance. It is unlikely but every now and then humans are amazing.

[lighthouse]

What a depressing thread. (You guys are a cheerful bunch.) I've never looked forward to something more in my life than this one. And I sometimes check this thread to get in the mood and anticipate june next year.

Still feels far away, but it'll be here sooner than we think. 🙂 

 

[xxialac]

Did they have to wait until the death count was at zero to release people from lockdown?

And similarly not every citizen in the western world has to be vaccinated before mass events are allowed to go ahead (particularly if there are better testing regimes in place by 8 months' time).

There is hope.

 

[Fabrizzo]

On 9/14/2020 at 10:54 PM, xxialac said:

Did they have to wait until the death count was at zero to release people from lockdown?

And similarly not every citizen in the western world has to be vaccinated before mass events are allowed to go ahead (particularly if there are better testing regimes in place by 8 months' time).

There is hope.

 

I agree with you, don't forget that this shitty situation starts only 6 months ago... Who knows what Will happen in the next 8 months? 

[Festcrazy]

11 hours ago, Fabrizzo said:

I agree with you, don't forget that this shitty situation starts only 6 months ago... Who knows what Will happen in the next 8 months? 

And within 8 months do you really believe that vaccine would be widespread?

I'm really hopping for that, but at the moment it looks pretty impossible. Testing is not the best way cuz you can develop the symptoms DURING the festival.

 

[xxialac]

22 minutes ago, Festcrazy said:

And within 8 months do you really believe that vaccine would be widespread?

I'm really hopping for that, but at the moment it looks pretty impossible. Testing is not the best way cuz you can develop the symptoms DURING the festival.

 

"Testing is not the best way cuz you can develop the symptoms DURING the festival."

That is however the model currently being used in the aviation industry and lots of governments have supported it.

Testing plus some level of vaccination may be enough. We don't need "guaranteed no-infection perfection" to re-open layers of society, as the last 3 months have shown.

[n=Nowheretohide]

Few days ago chinese doctor Li Meng Yan, who escaped from chinese globalist claws announced whole dissertation how virus has been man made and how chinese goverment and who knew human to human transmission was possible long before they have announced it, because of that virus is not behaving like normal natural virus would do and that is the reason why vaccine would be almost impossible to make, at least one that would be efficient.

Edited September 17, 2020 by n=Nowheretohide

[Festcrazy]

2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

"Testing is not the best way cuz you can develop the symptoms DURING the festival."

That is however the model currently being used in the aviation industry and lots of governments have supported it.

Testing plus some level of vaccination may be enough. We don't need "guaranteed no-infection perfection" to re-open layers of society, as the last 3 months have shown.

But you're wearing mask while fyling, masks during the festival are a bit impractical.

The key is on vaccine.

[riseupandkill]

i'd wear a mask at a festival, just saying...

[daveje]

Vaccines have to go through testing, production has to ramp up, distribution has to be scaled up, and there will be strict prioritisation regarding the people who get the virus first - front-line health care, at-risk sectors, elderly, etc. Even once a vaccine gets approved, the scale of production and vaccination is simply enormous. Smallpox and polio eradication took decades, and those are the only comparable efforts I can think of.

This means it'll take a long time for a vaccine to get to the kinds of people who go to music festival, ie, healthy young people. (Old farts like myself won't get it any earlier.)

So don't bet on a vaccine saving Primavera next year. Cheap, instantaneous, reliable testing is the likeliest solution.

And don't forget, that large international music festivals with attendees from dozens of countries, will be the last events to restart.

[xxialac]

36 minutes ago, daveje said:

Vaccines have to go through testing, production has to ramp up, distribution has to be scaled up, and there will be strict prioritisation regarding the people who get the virus first - front-line health care, at-risk sectors, elderly, etc. Even once a vaccine gets approved, the scale of production and vaccination is simply enormous. Smallpox and polio eradication took decades, and those are the only comparable efforts I can think of.

This means it'll take a long time for a vaccine to get to the kinds of people who go to music festival, ie, healthy young people. (Old farts like myself won't get it any earlier.)

So don't bet on a vaccine saving Primavera next year. Cheap, instantaneous, reliable testing is the likeliest solution.

And don't forget, that large international music festivals with attendees from dozens of countries, will be the last events to restart.

Agree with all of that.

One big hope for me is looking to football. Football is big business with lots of lobbying power and politicians know that people like it. 

So if they can find a way to get people into stadiums maskless within 8 months, thanks to better testing schemes, then that in turn opens the floodgates for allowing people to come to a music festival, at least at a local level.

 

[xxialac]

The speed at which testing is developing it looks as though at some point next year for mass events you’ll be able to have a quick test on a arrival, wait between 20 mins and 90 mins (depending on the success of the different testing models being developed) and then be free to enter.

At primavera it’s a two step/gate entry process (security, then ticket)anyway.

Dont see why they cant combine security and test for the first step, and then hold people in the massive open area near the auditori until their test results are ready.

[visdave34]

24 minutes ago, xxialac said:

The speed at which testing is developing it looks as though at some point next year for mass events you’ll be able to have a quick test on a arrival, wait between 20 mins and 90 mins (depending on the success of the different testing models being developed) and then be free to enter.

At primavera it’s a two step/gate entry process (security, then ticket)anyway.

Dont see why they cant combine security and test for the first step, and then hold people in the massive open area near the auditori until their test results are ready.

I've also been thinking about this solution, but what do you do when people have positive tests, after they were probably in a long and crowded line before being tested?

[gigi21]

28 minutes ago, visdave34 said:

I've also been thinking about this solution, but what do you do when people have positive tests, after they were probably in a long and crowded line before being tested?

I was thinking the same. And also: I don't live in Spain, I bought a ticket, booked two flights and a room to come to the Festival. What will happen to me if my test is positive? I'm really curious.