U.S. Presidential Election

[steviewevie]

Hopefully they'll enjoy watching the deportations live on tv whilst they tuck into their suddenly affordable MacDonald's meal deal.

[steviewevie]

I spent hours trying to persuade US voters to choose Harris not Trump. I know why she lost | Oliver Hall | The Guardian

[FloopFiller]

56 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I spent hours trying to persuade US voters to choose Harris not Trump. I know why she lost | Oliver Hall | The Guardian

The Republican misinformation machine works incredibly well. Like, how are you supposed to compete when Facebook is full of Facebook mums believing every bit of disinformation and AI generated picture they see and the owner of Twitter is posting misinformation himself at an insane rate?! They’ve always depended on stupid people and now they can just funnel nonsense in to their heads 24/7 and it barely takes any effort.
 

Kinda hard to see how Dems can compete - it’s gonna need another insane f**k up on the Repubs part akin to Iraq War, stock market crash, Covid bungle to get people out again to vote against them. Also doesn’t help that more than ever politics is seen as a team sport and everybody is loyal to their side and unwilling to budge. 

[steviewevie]

13 minutes ago, FloopFiller said:

The Republican misinformation machine works incredibly well. Like, how are you supposed to compete when Facebook is full of Facebook mums believing every bit of disinformation and AI generated picture they see and the owner of Twitter is posting misinformation himself at an insane rate?! They’ve always depended on stupid people and now they can just funnel nonsense in to their heads 24/7 and it barely takes any effort.
 

Kinda hard to see how Dems can compete - it’s gonna need another insane f**k up on the Repubs part akin to Iraq War, stock market crash, Covid bungle to get people out again to vote against them. Also doesn’t help that more than ever politics is seen as a team sport and everybody is loyal to their side and unwilling to budge. 

I think why works so well for Trump at moment is he not really Republican anyway, not in the traditional sense...he's seen as someone who's going to change the system, drain the swamp, a destructor. 

[steviewevie]

...and you know, maybe it will work. Maybe his various threats of tarifs or whatever will win great deals for US with China/EU; maybe his strongman deal making thing will bring peaceful resolutions to Ukraine and middle east; maybe he will bring peace and harmony to all mankind; maybe he is infact the messiah.

[maelzoid]

Maybe it's a lot simpler than we think...

 

Here’s a summary of recent incumbent U.S. presidents who faced re-election after their first term, their approval ratings on election day, and the outcomes:

 

1. Dwight D. Eisenhower (1956) - 59% approval; Won
2. Lyndon B. Johnson (1964) - 74% approval; Won
3. Richard Nixon (1972) - 56% approval; Won
4. Gerald Ford (1976) - 45% approval; Lost
5. Jimmy Carter (1980) - 34% approval; Lost
6. Ronald Reagan (1984) - 58% approval; Won
7. George H.W. Bush (1992) - 34% approval; Lost
8. Bill Clinton (1996) - 54% approval; Won
9. George W. Bush (2004) - 50% approval; Won
10. Barack Obama (2012) - 52% approval; Won
11. Donald Trump (2020) - 46% approval; Lost
12. Biden -(2024) - 38.5% approval; Lost

Edited November 9 by maelzoid

[steviewevie]

Elon Musk seems to have done pretty well out of it, so that's good.

[FloopFiller]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Elon Musk seems to have done pretty well out of it, so that's good.

Being deprived of his public breakdown is such a huge loss from this, although it won’t be long before Trump and him have a very big bust up I’m sure. Two huge egos and Trump with his bully mentality, I just can’t see their current ‘friendly’ relationship lasting at all.

[maelzoid]

2 minutes ago, FloopFiller said:

Being deprived of his public breakdown is such a huge loss from this, although it won’t be long before Trump and him have a very big bust up I’m sure. Two huge egos and Trump with his bully mentality, I just can’t see their current ‘friendly’ relationship lasting at all.

Yes, this will happen. It's weird that Trump has being going all in on 'Electric Cars are sh*t!' and then teaming up with the biggest producer of electric cars in the country. Something's gotta give.

 

Also, Alex Jones being suggested for press secretary. This will be hilarious if true.

[FloopFiller]

1 minute ago, maelzoid said:

Also, Alex Jones being suggested for press secretary. This will be hilarious if true.

Think this was just a suggestion from Candace Owens and not somebody in Trump’s team. In fact, I’m sure a lot of people are gonna be unhappy when Trump fills his cabinet with average politicians and Wall Street people and not loudmouth social media morons like many seem to be hoping for. 

[pink_triangle]

21 minutes ago, maelzoid said:

Maybe it's a lot simpler than we think...

 

 

Here’s a summary of recent incumbent U.S. presidents who faced re-election after their first term, their approval ratings on election day, and the outcomes:

 

 

1. Dwight D. Eisenhower (1956) - 59% approval; Won
2. Lyndon B. Johnson (1964) - 74% approval; Won
3. Richard Nixon (1972) - 56% approval; Won
4. Gerald Ford (1976) - 45% approval; Lost
5. Jimmy Carter (1980) - 34% approval; Lost
6. Ronald Reagan (1984) - 58% approval; Won
7. George H.W. Bush (1992) - 34% approval; Lost
8. Bill Clinton (1996) - 54% approval; Won
9. George W. Bush (2004) - 50% approval; Won
10. Barack Obama (2012) - 52% approval; Won
11. Donald Trump (2020) - 46% approval; Lost
12. Biden -(2024) - 38.5% approval; Lost

I agree, I think a lot forget that people are often voting against one side, as opposed to a full endorsement of the other.

[MilkyJoe]

48 minutes ago, FloopFiller said:

The Republican misinformation machine works incredibly well. Like, how are you supposed to compete when Facebook is full of Facebook mums believing every bit of disinformation and AI generated picture they see and the owner of Twitter is posting misinformation himself at an insane rate?! They’ve always depended on stupid people and now they can just funnel nonsense in to their heads 24/7 and it barely takes any effort.
 

Kinda hard to see how Dems can compete - it’s gonna need another insane f**k up on the Repubs part akin to Iraq War, stock market crash, Covid bungle to get people out again to vote against them. Also doesn’t help that more than ever politics is seen as a team sport and everybody is loyal to their side and unwilling to budge. 

I truly believe it wouldn't have been such a landslide without twitter. Would trump still have won? maybe, but musk literally had the ability to deliver that misinformation and propaganda to every single user. In the last few weeks my feed has probably been 90% republican! If only a small percentage of it was believed by the masses then it would still be a massive portion of the electorate. Couple this with trump's snake oil salesman and it's going to take a lot of beating.

[pink_triangle]

55 minutes ago, FloopFiller said:

The Republican misinformation machine works incredibly well. Like, how are you supposed to compete when Facebook is full of Facebook mums believing every bit of disinformation and AI generated picture they see and the owner of Twitter is posting misinformation himself at an insane rate?! They’ve always depended on stupid people and now they can just funnel nonsense in to their heads 24/7 and it barely takes any effort.
 

Kinda hard to see how Dems can compete - it’s gonna need another insane f**k up on the Repubs part akin to Iraq War, stock market crash, Covid bungle to get people out again to vote against them. Also doesn’t help that more than ever politics is seen as a team sport and everybody is loyal to their side and unwilling to budge. 

I would really disagree with the point republicans have always relied on stupid voters. There are plenty of stupid on each side, plus calling one side stupid is not the way to win them back. Some voters have voted Obama, Trump and Biden, I don’t see why they are lost forever. I don’t agree with the point about loyalty, there are people willing t switch and winning their votes will continue to win elections.

 

Now how to win them back is the more complex issue, the reality is you may not have to do anything other than look sensible and competent as Labour found this year. To me there are many answers, to me Kamala was just too “establishment” for this election and I’m not convinced a load of rich celebrity endorsements are always helpful. At the same time anti establishment doesn’t mean going left and focusing on defund the police, Gaza, Green New Deal etc. You need a left/centre left message that resonates on core issues, economy, housing, education and health.

Edited November 9 by pink_triangle

[steviewevie]

Trump voters are definitely stupid.

QED

[lost]

57 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

.. maybe his strongman deal making thing will bring peaceful resolutions to Ukraine and middle east; maybe he will bring peace and harmony to all mankind

 

Not a bad start:

 

 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, lost said:

 

Not a bad start:

 

 

Trump is mates with Netanyahu and mates with various Arab royal families and they all hate Iran so he might make some progress..but in terms of Palestine there might be some fundamentally irreconcilable differences.

[steviewevie]

Also Biden might really try and push a deal through in his remaining weeks... something for his legacy. Netanyahu probably won't play ball though.

[kalifire]

Good analysis. 
 

 

[steviewevie]

 

[pink_triangle]

10 hours ago, MilkyJoe said:

I truly believe it wouldn't have been such a landslide without twitter. Would trump still have won? maybe, but musk literally had the ability to deliver that misinformation and propaganda

 

 

I tried to see if there was data about twitter usage in USA. I found something that said 100 million users, but not sure how they define a user.  I have my doubts it made a huge difference. When you take out all the people who don’t have twitter, always vote the same way, voted Dems or didn’t live in a swing state, I suspect you aren’t left with enough to make the difference in an election won fairly comfortably.

[steviewevie]

Trump was on TV all the time talking sh*t about immigrants eating pets and being purposely sent to swing states to woke Democrats and woke schools changing children's genders.

[FloopFiller]

Apparently California still has a sh*t ton of ballots left to count and it could even be so much that it ends up giving Kamala the popular vote. I don’t think it’s gonna quite get to that, but what an absolute 2016 level f**ker it’d be if it did. 

[MilkyJoe]

6 minutes ago, FloopFiller said:

Apparently California still has a sh*t ton of ballots left to count and it could even be so much that it ends up giving Kamala the popular vote. I don’t think it’s gonna quite get to that, but what an absolute 2016 level f**ker it’d be if it did. 

Fingers crossed for small victories.🤞

[steviewevie]

Maybe they'll find a load in those rust belt states too and Harris will infact win the whole thing.

[FloopFiller]

10 minutes ago, MilkyJoe said:

Fingers crossed for small victories.🤞

Yeah, it would at least be funny to see Trump complain about it and his fans all claiming fraud once again, as they seem to be doing with certain Senate and House races at the moment.