news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Exactly. In an election campaign the polls would likely narrow and it’s just too much of an ask to be likely. 

they need those scotland seats back...

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Ozanne said:

Exactly. In an election campaign the polls would likely narrow and it’s just too much of an ask to be likely. 

If they can’t do it now then they are completely unelectable and might as well give up unless they form some kind of pact with the Lib Dem’s . 

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

If they can’t do it now then they are completely unelectable and might as well give up unless they form some kind of pact with the Lib Dem’s . 

I've heard this so many times during 80s/90s/10s and now. Tories are very good at winning no matter the shit state of things.

[steviewevie]

...which is why Scotland is looking at independence...they kept voting labour and kept getting a tory govt....and even when they did get a labour govt it was Blair who is hardly my socialist...(but did give them devolution the ungrateful c**ts)

[steviewevie]

So...next election...economy just starting to recover...are labour going to introduce tax rises..hardly a vote winner?

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I've heard this so many times during 80s/90s/10s and now. Tories are very good at winning no matter the shit state of things.

I feel things may be different ... we will see 

[steviewevie]

I think the income tax one is an easy one...such a wild cut that favours the rich.

[pink_triangle]

42 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Labour won’t win a majority at the next election, it’s incredibly difficult even before the boundary changes. It would need the biggest swing in UK electoral history as it is.

I feel the likelier outcome is a Labour minority government. 

I see labour led minority government. I could see SNP agreeing to abstain on votes required to allow labour to form a working government 

[steviewevie]

I see a tory win and this place going into meltdown and me basically giving up worrying about it.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I see labour led minority government. I could see SNP agreeing to abstain on votes required to allow labour to form a working government 

That’s what I can see happening too. Labour will essentially dare the SNP to vote down their King’s Speech etc. 

 

37 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

If they can’t do it now then they are completely unelectable and might as well give up unless they form some kind of pact with the Lib Dem’s . 

Traditionally Labour would now have to build back up to form another government so they would need to drastically reduce the Tories majority before having a proper shot in 2030. However the Tories incompetence and Starmer rescuing the party has given them a shot of doing it early.

If Labour don’t win a majority it wouldn’t mean they are ‘unelectable’ it would mean that the mountain was too big to climb, as I say the swing needed is the largest ever. 

[steviewevie]

referenda in Eastern Ukraine over the next few days...I wonder how they'll vote? 🤔

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

That’s what I can see happening too. Labour will essentially dare the SNP to vote down their King’s Speech etc. 

 

Traditionally Labour would now have to build back up to form another government so they would need to drastically reduce the Tories majority before having a proper shot in 2030. However the Tories incompetence and Starmer rescuing the party has given them a shot of doing it early.

If Labour don’t win a majority it wouldn’t mean they are ‘unelectable’ it would mean that the mountain was too big to climb, as I say the swing needed is the largest ever. 

I understand how it works .... I also know that each party in a constituency starts on 0 votes 

[justanotheronethen]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

That’s what I can see happening too. Labour will essentially dare the SNP to vote down their King’s Speech etc. 

 

Traditionally Labour would now have to build back up to form another government so they would need to drastically reduce the Tories majority before having a proper shot in 2030. However the Tories incompetence and Starmer rescuing the party has given them a shot of doing it early.

If Labour don’t win a majority it wouldn’t mean they are ‘unelectable’ it would mean that the mountain was too big to climb, as I say the swing needed is the largest ever. 

If Labour win it will be because of the hatred of the Tories, not because of any semblance of competence by Starmer. He's a Tory enabler

[steviewevie]

yawn

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

I understand how it works .... I also know that each party in a constituency starts on 0 votes 

That would be the case if we were starting from scratch but that doesn’t take into account how people voted last election and the need to swing those voters to Labours cause as it’s harder to win over voters that didn’t vote for you previously. It sadly isn’t as simple as each constituency starting on zero.

25 minutes ago, justanotheronethen said:

If Labour win it will be because of the hatred of the Tories, not because of any semblance of competence by Starmer. He's a Tory enabler

No sorry, it’s both. Polling indicates that. 

[justanotheronethen]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

That would be the case if we were starting from scratch but that doesn’t take into account how people voted last election and the need to swing those voters to Labours cause as it’s harder to win over voters that didn’t vote for you previously. It sadly isn’t as simple as each constituency starting on zero.

No sorry, it’s both. Polling indicates that. 

'Polling'

Ok then

[squirrelarmy]

10 hours ago, steviewevie said:

referenda in Eastern Ukraine over the next few days...I wonder how they'll vote? 🤔

Apparently polling cards are being delivered personally by armed soldiers and they’re being asked to fill them out on the spot. 

[steviewevie]

53 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Apparently polling cards are being delivered personally by armed soldiers and they’re being asked to fill them out on the spot. 

yeah...well it will end up being an outight vote for Russia, so these regions will be annexed, and then what?

[squirrelarmy]

Any attack on them then becomes an attack on Russia. 
 

It’s definitely not a democratic process. 

[Neil]

13 hours ago, steviewevie said:

they need those scotland seats back...

didn't need them for blairs 3rd term.

[Neil]

56 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Any attack on them then becomes an attack on Russia. 

exactly like the attacks on Crimea now as Crimea is Russia.

[Zoo Music Girl]

I reckon it will be a hung parliament. Going to be a shit couple of years but people in this country just love voting Tory. And FPTP compounds that. I'm hoping they won't get a majority but that's all I can set my sights on right now. 

[steviewevie]

22 minutes ago, Neil said:

didn't need them for blairs 3rd term.

there was a lot more red in Scotland in 2005 then there was in 2019.

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

there was a lot more red in Scotland in 2005 then there was in 2019.

not with mp's seats

[steviewevie]

32 minutes ago, Neil said:

not with mp's seats

41 in 2005 vs 1 in 2019