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Just now, mattiloy said:


Starmer’s pre-partygate performance suggests otherwise.

Politics in the UK is a zero sum game. Labour’s erstwhile success is a product of the conservative’s abject failure. Nothing more.

Polling suggests otherwise friend. 

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10 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Polling suggests otherwise friend. 


No… it suggests the exact opposite.

Because data for the counterfactual exists. Starmer’s labour’s popularity under a no tory meltdown condition, as was pre partygate, clearly demonstrates that partygate and everything that has happened since is the major causal factor to Labour’s current polling…

But observing evidence has never been your strong point.

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6 minutes ago, mattiloy said:


No… it suggests the exact opposite.

Because data for the counterfactual exists. Starmer’s labour’s popularity under a no tory meltdown condition, as was pre partygate, clearly demonstrates that partygate and everything that has happened since is the major causal factor to Labour’s current polling…

But observing evidence has never been your strong point.

Polling shows an improvement in Labour’s and Starmer’s ratings with gains being taken from Lib Dem’s as well which shows people coming round to Labour. It shows a collapse in the Tory support but also that Labour are winning support on there merit. Trust me I’ve looked at a lot of analysis of the polling data.

There’s no need for the personal comment at the end there.

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Just now, sime said:

Third PM in as many months? Zombie Government 🧟‍♀️ We need a General Election. Now!

We do, we can’t go on like this. The Tories have no mandate for this. 

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