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[Guest]

😂

[Kurosagi]

Continuing my football distraction Brexit theme:

It is so frustrating that Brexit is the narrative to which other countries interpret our current woes, but that we have a tory party that is destroying itself because of it and a Labour party that won't touch it with a barge pole and a public broadcaster that likes to pretend the mess has nothing to do with it.

Even if/when labour get in, on current evidence it seems unlikely that Starmer will do anything else but continue to "convincingly act baffled why it has been sinking ever since".

Not sure what the life raft looks like in Frum's analogy, is there one?

It's certainly not football given that Brighton can't win a game since Potter left (yes, I know, wrong thread).

[kaosmark2]

Johnson will get the support of the MPs he promises a cabinet position to.

That doesn't mean he'll only get the support of as many MPs as there are cabinet positions.

[steviewevie]

Just feels like it has been chaos politically since that referendum. At least negotiations with EU over NI were sort of improving under Truss, hopefully that will continue after whoever takes over. Recents events have completely killed the whole buccaneering brexiter take back control thing.

If Johnson does stand against Sunak things could get real messy for tory party.

[Guest]

‘Buccaneering Brexiter’ sounds like a middle England, American Football team.

[Crazyfool01]

22 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Johnson will get the support of the MPs he promises a cabinet position to.

That doesn't mean he'll only get the support of as many MPs as there are cabinet positions.

But even then those mps might not support … he needs to be very careful they are so broken now … some of his cabinet will have likely wanted him out last time … unless he goes for some new faces , so won’t take so much to turn if they feel the tide is going away from him 

[kaosmark2]

24 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

But even then those mps might not support … he needs to be very careful they are so broken now … some of his cabinet will have likely wanted him out last time … unless he goes for some new faces , so won’t take so much to turn if they feel the tide is going away from him 

Given that Raab has declared for Sunday it shows the state of Bojo's position.

He's weak, and he's trying to work out whether he'll get a last hurrah

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Kurosagi said:

Continuing my football distraction Brexit theme:

It is so frustrating that Brexit is the narrative to which other countries interpret our current woes, but that we have a tory party that is destroying itself because of it and a Labour party that won't touch it with a barge pole and a public broadcaster that likes to pretend the mess has nothing to do with it.

Even if/when labour get in, on current evidence it seems unlikely that Starmer will do anything else but continue to "convincingly act baffled why it has been sinking ever since".

problem is, highlighting the problems of brexit calls the whole country 'stupid'.

[Ryan1984]

1 hour ago, kaosmark2 said:

Given that Raab has declared for Sunday it shows the state of Bojo's position.

He's weak, and he's trying to work out whether he'll get a last hurrah

Jenrick - the smuggest of all - has also said it isn’t the right time for Johnson to return.

[Crazyfool01]

 

[Guest]

This seems pretty realistic, Labour’s lead will reduce when the PM is in place. 

[steviewevie]

at this point feels like it will be Sunak.

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

maybe Boris will get Northern Ireland in Rishi's cabinet.

[Ryan1984]

13 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Man looks like he’s aged so much over his extended holiday. Why does he want the job so much?

[squirrelarmy]

5 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Why does he want the job so much

 His ego won’t let him be just another MP. 

[steviewevie]

2 hours ago, Neil said:

problem is, highlighting the problems of brexit calls the whole country 'stupid'.

just over half the country

[Guest]

So will today be the day we see the coronation of Rishi Sunak as our next PM? It’s such a good democratic system we have where rich Tories can just keep appointing our leader.

[Crazyfool01]

So just Rishi going through then ? What’s  happenned to all the other mps votes ? Are they all suddenly going to decide today ? 

[Crazyfool01]

What do Labour have on Rishi ? Partygate … although seemed much less of an issue than Boris …. ? Eat out to help covid …? Rich Rishi ? Or do they just wait for more infighting ? Rumoured Boris was meeting him to sort some kind of pact 

[Crazyfool01]

Baker backing Rhisi … presume that’s the ERG vote sewn up then … he’s also saying no way should it be Boris 

[steviewevie]

16 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

What do Labour have on Rishi ? Partygate … although seemed much less of an issue than Boris …. ? Eat out to help covid …? Rich Rishi ? Or do they just wait for more infighting ? Rumoured Boris was meeting him to sort some kind of pact 

no point trying to attack him on anything from the past, but decisions taken now...austerity etc. Might be difficult for Sunak with all his millions and the country going though all this shit, but his appointment will probably lead to stability in the markets and maybe things will be less chaotic. Just have to see how things go over next few years.

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

no point trying to attack him on anything from the past, but decisions taken now...austerity etc. Might be difficult for Sunak with all his millions and the country going though all this shit, but his appointment will probably lead to stability in the markets and maybe things will be less chaotic. Just have to see how things go over next few years.

I can’t see Boris and his backers towing the line very quietly … maybe some hush money might work for him … if he’s put in the cabinet will that keep him and his backers quiet ? 

[Guest]

Chris Heaton Harris on Sky News has claimed Johnson has the numbers, the over camps know it and Johnson will run. This guy will look like a fool later on. 

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

no point trying to attack him on anything from the past, but decisions taken now...austerity etc. Might be difficult for Sunak with all his millions and the country going though all this shit, but his appointment will probably lead to stability in the markets and maybe things will be less chaotic. Just have to see how things go over next few years.

😂 yes, let’s Rishi off for all his previous failings.

The Tories play politics on easy mode.