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[pink_triangle]

Latest wisdom from labour supporter Owen Jones 

Genuinely think Keir Starmer and Boris Johnson are the two most dishonest frontline politicians in British democratic history

 

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Latest wisdom from labour supporter Owen Jones 

Genuinely think Keir Starmer and Boris Johnson are the two most dishonest frontline politicians in British democratic history

 

starmer is the most evil man in the history of mankind from what I can gather.

[Neil]

17 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Latest wisdom from labour supporter Owen Jones 

Genuinely think Keir Starmer and Boris Johnson are the two most dishonest frontline politicians in British democratic history

 

That's the corbynista opinion Which is all that Jones has to give.

[Ryan1984]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

That's the corbynista opinion Which is all that Jones has to give.

Jones loves the sound of his own voice. What happened with those bullying allegations?

[steviewevie]

supports Ozanne/PinkTriangles take (I still don't like it)

 

[pink_triangle]

12 minutes ago, Neil said:

That's the corbynista opinion Which is all that Jones has to give.

Oxbridge has obviously gone downhill if people come out with a history degree and make that kind of assessment.

[Neil]

7 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Oxbridge has obviously gone downhill if people come out with a history degree and make that kind of assessment.

to be fair to jones, he did drop corbyn like a hot brick when he realised he wasn't going to win.

[mattiloy]

1 hour ago, pink_triangle said:

Latest wisdom from labour supporter Owen Jones 

Genuinely think Keir Starmer and Boris Johnson are the two most dishonest frontline politicians in British democratic history

 

Watch this video that @Crazyfool01posted and tell me its not true 

 

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

supports Ozanne/PinkTriangles take (I still don't like it)

 

I am very wise and have my finger on the pulse 😉

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Watch this video that @Crazyfool01posted and tell me its not true 

 

I mean...he has told lies, no doubt...but not sure he's the most dishonest ever...maybe in the top 10?...

Also, you could probably do this sort of clip video with most politicians.

[steviewevie]

I've had a few arguments on twatter with starmer hating corbyn lovers and quite a few have said they want tories to win next election so starmer gets kicked out and labour becomes a proper socialist party.

Deluded I reckon. But it does pose a problem for those on the left. Do they want labour in govt and then try steer it leftwards much like what happened with tory govt over the last decade only the other way...or labour loses and starmer gets klcked out and replaced with a true socialist...maybe someone like Wes Streeting or Rachel Reeves haha. 

Personally I consider myself centre left, or soft left, or social democrat or whatever. I am not that bothered about ideological purity, and I couldn't really give a fuck about jeremy corbyn (although I actually think he should be allowed to stand as a labour MP), but you have to be pragmatic. Better to be in power and try and steer things than not I reckon.

Edited April 9, 2023 by steviewevie

[pink_triangle]

29 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Watch this video that @Crazyfool01posted and tell me its not true 

 

I did A level (admittedly not degree level like Owen) History. There were times when British politics was riddled (even more than now) with corruption. If we are talking most dishonest ever then even Boris probably isn’t in contention. It’s naive to think political dishonesty started with the smartphone and twitter. I have low expectations of Jones, but he should be better than this kind of sensationalist (click bait) bullshit.

[pink_triangle]

22 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I mean...he has told lies, no doubt...but not sure he's the most dishonest ever...maybe in the top 10?...

 

In British democratic history? How many years do you think that covers?

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

In British democratic history? How many years do you think that covers?

10000 years?

[steviewevie]

actually sorry that's stupid, the earth is only 5000 years old.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I did A level (admittedly not degree level like Owen) History. There were times when British politics was riddled (even more than now) with corruption. If we are talking most dishonest ever then even Boris probably isn’t in contention. It’s naive to think political dishonesty started with the smartphone and twitter. I have low expectations of Jones, but he should be better than this kind of sensationalist (click bait) bullshit.

I saw a polling analyst say earlier that whilst this type of thing can lead to some people not knowing what Starmer stands for ultimately people generally don’t mind politicians that change their minds. 

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I saw a polling analyst say earlier that whilst this type of thing can lead to some people not knowing what Starmer stands for ultimately people generally don’t mind politicians that change their minds. 

yes, definitely...and that will be Starmer's riposte...but those against will just say how can you trust what he is promising now...?

[Neil]

52 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I did A level (admittedly not degree level like Owen) History. There were times when British politics was riddled (even more than now) with corruption. If we are talking most dishonest ever then even Boris probably isn’t in contention. It’s naive to think political dishonesty started with the smartphone and twitter. I have low expectations of Jones, but he should be better than this kind of sensationalist (click bait) bullshit.

What about corbyns dishonestly in saying he voted remain .

[steviewevie]

17 minutes ago, Neil said:

What about corbyns dishonestly in saying he voted remain .

we don't know how he voted.

[mattiloy]

Out of interest, if the UK electoral system switched to proportional representation, who here would still vote for Starmer’s Labour?

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Out of interest, if the UK electoral system switched to proportional representation, who here would still vote for Starmer’s Labour?

Depends what else was on offer.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

yes, definitely...and that will be Starmer's riposte...but those against will just say how can you trust what he is promising now...?

They will do but given how the Tories have messed up the country I don’t think it’ll bother people too much. 

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Out of interest, if the UK electoral system switched to proportional representation, who here would still vote for Starmer’s Labour?

But also starmer's labour would likely be very different as he wouldn't necessarily be trying to woo certain parts of the electorate.

[pink_triangle]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

yes, definitely...and that will be Starmer's riposte...but those against will just say how can you trust what he is promising now...?

I can guarantee all the swing voters in my office will never see this video. Those getting excited on twitter will generally be conservatives (who won’t vote labour) or Corbynites (some will, some won’t).

As for Starmer being seen as a flip flopper. I think the default view of the public is all politicians are like this, I don’t see it doing much damage.

[steviewevie]

Just now, pink_triangle said:

I can guarantee all the swing voters in my office will never see this video. Those getting excited on twitter will generally be conservatives (who won’t vote labour) or Corbynites (some will, some won’t).

 

They will if becomes part of a Tory ad campaign.