news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

i've just re-named this topic to better reflect what its for.

[pink_triangle]

6 hours ago, Kurosagi said:

It would be misplaced to think that a belief in gender identity theory is a left/right issue.

It’s not a left/right issue, but it’s an issue that politicians have tried to turn in a culture wall. The debate is too often defined by people on either extreme, ignoring the view of those looking for some sensible middle ground which will make trans people feel a little more equal. Like Middle East politics, it’s not something that is going to resonate with the average person in an election.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Neil said:

i've just re-named this topic to better reflect what its for.

you need a & anyoldbollocks in there.

[Guest]

 

[Neil]

26 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

you need a & anyoldbollocks in there.

Might add that in a bit.

[steviewevie]

so can we discuss covid now?

[mattiloy]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

 

Haha love this. Seems like Rawls’ main thing is basically a jedi mind trick to turn liberals into socialists by making them learn empathy by forcing them to imagine how they’d feel if they were born different.

And concluding by saying the problem is not want for redistribution of wealth but that the mechanism for distribution is controlled by the capitalist. So yeah, how to solve that… maybe…working class ownership of the means of production?

This liberal has accidentally discovered socialism.

But, if thats what it takes.

What the left lacks more than anything is patience and tact in both message and method. So if liberals want to rephrase leftist ideas and sell them to the wavering middle, I don’t mind it.

[Neil]

38 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

so can we discuss covid now?

yeah, whn i first heard of covid, i said to my wife i reckon that's going to get me (i was a heavy smoker), in the end it didn't i didn't even get it bad,  and i gave up smoking - but it did get my mother. 😞 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Neil

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Haha love this. Seems like Rawls’ main thing is basically a jedi mind trick to turn liberals into socialists by making them learn empathy by forcing them to imagine how they’d feel if they were born different.

And concluding by saying the problem is not want for redistribution of wealth but that the mechanism for distribution is controlled by the capitalist. So yeah, how to solve that… maybe…working class ownership of the means of production?

This liberal has accidentally discovered socialism.

But, if thats what it takes.

What the left lacks more than anything is patience and tact in both message and method. So if liberals want to rephrase leftist ideas and sell them to the wavering middle, I don’t mind it.

Patience is the understatement of the century.

[steviewevie]

17 minutes ago, Neil said:

yeah, whn i first heard of covid, i said to my wife i reckon that's going to get me (i was a heavy smoker), in the end it didn't i didn't even get it bad,  and i gave up smoking - but it did get my mother. 😞 

That's sad. Sorry to hear that. So many sad and mad stories came out of that pandemic and feels like hasn't been processed properly, just moved on.

[Neil]

36 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

That's sad. Sorry to hear that. So many sad and mad stories came out of that pandemic and feels like hasn't been processed properly, just moved on.

The saddest bit was it wasn't until this year it got her,and I hadn't had the chance to visit for a while... We had some stuff we needed to talk about. Bit of regret about that. too late to change it now.

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

yeah, whn i first heard of covid, i said to my wife i reckon that's going to get me (i was a heavy smoker), in the end it didn't i didn't even get it bad,  and i gave up smoking - but it did get my mother. 😞 

I remember you saying you Mum died from Covid, must’ve been tough especially with everything else you went through as well. I hope you are doing ok. 

[Neil]

7 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I remember you saying you Mum died from Covid, must’ve been tough especially with everything else you went through as well. I hope you are doing ok. 

Thanks, I'm doing ok but it has made me think about my future. - I have a plan.its coming together well too.

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Neil said:

Thanks, I'm doing ok but it has made me think about my future. - I have a plan.its coming together well too.

Glad to hear you are doing ok.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, Ozanne said:

Glad to hear you are doing ok.

I've been working hard at my recovery,getting free massages and the like. I've never been so busy.amazed I've been able to fit it around working .amazed I'm up to working. One handed working is tricky.

[Neil]

If you hear a politician ltelling the truth its best to assume its been done by ai or is a deep fake.

[Neil]

just seen a graphic on Facebook. 'vote labour get Sharia'.

reckon that's the Tory attack ad for an election.

[Guest]

More Labour policy. 

[Neil]

now i'm at my desk i can post tbhe image here.

 

 

 

[Neil]

that was on my cousin's facebook, but he does live in ukip country.

[steviewevie]

Been reading about Macron..not only has he got domestic problems with the retirement age thing and god knows where that he heading, but also he seems to have put his foot in it in a recent interview about europe and China/Taiwan...has upset a few others in EU/west...strategic autonomy for europe (i.e. break from US), and nothing to do with us what China does with Taiwan etc etc. 

[steviewevie]

this is a good write up of it..

Europe must resist pressure to become ‘America’s followers,’ says Macron – POLITICO

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Been reading about Macron..not only has he got domestic problems with the retirement age thing and god knows where that he heading, but also he seems to have put his foot in it in a recent interview about europe and China/Taiwan...has upset a few others in EU/west...strategic autonomy for europe (i.e. break from US), and nothing to do with us what China does with Taiwan etc etc. 

lots of talk about a big war coming, not a bad idea to try to detach Europe from getting dragged in by the usa..

 

[steviewevie]

17 minutes ago, Neil said:

lots of talk about a big war coming, not a bad idea to try to detach Europe from getting dragged in by the usa..

 

just hope we don't need usa help again one day.