news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

Where did he say this thing, something he "could" do?

His full speech today is here:

https://labour.org.uk/updates/press-releases/keir-starmers-speech-in-buckinghamshire/

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Where did he say this thing, something he "could" do?

His full speech today is here:

https://labour.org.uk/updates/press-releases/keir-starmers-speech-in-buckinghamshire/

He didn't say in that write up. Could be that the Telegraph are trying to cause issues for Labour and divert from the Tories?

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

It would if the public didn't think Labour could handle immigration better than the Tories.

tories will say they'll let everyone in.

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

He didn't say in that write up. Could be that the Telegraph are trying to cause issues for Labour and divert from the Tories?

they are saying that he said he would look at these offshore processing thingies...but where did he say that? Was it in an answer to a journalists question? 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Vote Tory. Stop The Boats!

you failed  - that's four words!

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

tories will say they'll let everyone in.

they will. But Labour will just point to the numbers now and then say they'll send them to mars.

[steviewevie]

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[Rufus Gwertigan]

Kate Middleton the lazy batch.

https://www.gbnews.com/royal/kate-middleton-work-ethic-duke-of-gloucester-engagements-2023

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

they are saying that he said he would look at these offshore processing thingies...but where did he say that? Was it in an answer to a journalists question? 

I don't know where he said it, possibly talking to the media later on in the day?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I don't know where he said it, possibly talking to the media later on in the day?

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't;t really say it at all or it's been twisted. He probably meant opening up processing centres in Northern France.

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't;t really say it at all or it's been twisted. He probably meant opening up processing centres in Northern France.

Even if he said it be didn't mean it 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Even if he said it be didn't mean it 

Maybe it was a riddle.

[steviewevie]

 

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Holds as much weight as a vote down the student union then...

Biden starting to shift away from Israeli position tonight also … 

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Biden starting to shift away from Israeli position tonight also … 

Ceasefire by Christmas.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

So we now know Labour won't reverse the Rwanda policy but simply tinker with it.  Makes sense really.  You don't rip up something like that once it gets going.  People tend to forget.  I am sure migrants coming from France won't give it a second thought and will keep coming regardless.

if they rip it up they have to put their own solution in place if they go with the tory plan they can blame the tories for any flaws.

(i said ages ago that it'll be better for labour if the tories get something in place.

[pink_triangle]

4 hours ago, squirrelarmy said:

Did you see Nick Fletchers statement? That was eye opening 

 

link for those interested https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/26b0dd30-b987-4d9c-8a2b-a6e6915e6019?in=17:17:03

I mean you can make an intellectual argument about immigration, but this bloke clearly doesn’t have the brains. For a start if a kid falls over in the street a plaster will probably help avoid the trip to A&E. Secondly I have worked in the NHS for nearly 20 years and never come across these hospitals where nobody speaks English. It’s odd that these MPs never have any evidence to backup these statements.

[Ryan1984]

So, Rishi passes the vote with ease - a sign they might be clubbing together? Or his breakfast meeting did the trick? Who knew a bowl of Coco Pops could work such wonders.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

if they rip it up they have to put their own solution in place if they go with the tory plan they can blame the tories for any flaws.

(i said ages ago that it'll be better for labour if the tories get something in place.

Labour have said multiple times that they will scrap the Rwanda scheme.

[Neil]

Just now, Ozanne said:

Labour have said multiple times that they will scrap the Rwanda scheme.

if they do they'll need to find a replacement for deporting.

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Neil said:

if they do they'll need to find a replacement for deporting.

They’ll actually process the claims for a start and either migrants will be allowed in or returned. They won’t waste the money on the Rwanda scheme which will only deport about 100 anyway. 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

They’ll actually process the claims for a start and either migrants will be allowed in or returned. They won’t waste the money on the Rwanda scheme which will only deport about 100 anyway. 

returning is often difficult cos they hide where they come from and some countries demand absolute proof to accept  a return.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

They’ll actually process the claims for a start and either migrants will be allowed in or returned. They won’t waste the money on the Rwanda scheme which will only deport about 100 anyway. 

currently most are allowed in after processing, labour won't be popular with the anti-immigrant types if continuing with that.

[steviewevie]

4 hours ago, Neil said:

currently most are allowed in after processing, labour won't be popular with the anti-immigrant types if continuing with that.

I mean it is disputable if Rwanda thingy would have much of an impact anyway, if just sending hundreds over. Maybe it will deter some, don't know. This needs an international resolution, in end might need european countries taking a quota, maybe Starmer will work more closely with France/EU in finding a resolution. If could do that so that those whose asylum is accepted here get safe passage and at same time work with other countries to try and stop the boat gangs, then this could make issue less visible here. Sunak took a big risk with that stop the boats thing, if he'd said he'd reduce by a 3rd per year he'd be onto a winner, but I guess he wanted to keep Braverman and co happy.

With legal migration it is forecast to come down to about net 300/400k anyway, but will always be too high for some. In end need to make a choice, fewer immigrants and we will probably have to be like Japan and work longer and have less growth, or have more migrants working here.

[steviewevie]

COP 28 is alive again, we are all saved! They still don't have" phase out" in the text, but now have "transition away" instead. Words matter I guess. Developing countries and those affected more directly by climate change will likely get more aid/support too.