news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Because in the minds of certain segments of the population, only people like them exist.

What is notable is that the really dangerous drugs - eg. heroin - aren't rising anywhere near as fast as a lot of the criminalised non-addictive recreational drugs. I think the hardest drug that has serious usage rises is Spice.

it's just dumb criminalising it...sell soft drugs with health warnings etc...treat harder drugs like a medical issue, not a criminal issue.

If I could easily go out and get some decent drugs without having to do the whole dodgy dealer thing I would, my liver needs a break from all the booze.

[steviewevie]

Just now, Ozanne said:

So Sunak had an abysmal PMQs, in response to the concrete crises in schools he twice mentioned Starmer wanting longer lockdowns and pretty much tried to brush it under the carpet. 

oh yeah, PMQs. Did they talk about drugs?

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Because in the minds of certain segments of the population, only people like them exist.

What is notable is that the really dangerous drugs - eg. heroin - aren't rising anywhere near as fast as a lot of the criminalised non-addictive recreational drugs. I think the hardest drug that has serious usage rises is Spice.

one of my meds (specialist painkiller) has a big black market (apparently) i'd never heard of it until the doc at hospital prescribed it, then one of the nurses said it wouldn't be put on my meds list because of the black market, but was put on my meds list anyway.

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Have a play...

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/drugmisuseinenglandandwales/yearendingjune2022

in the 'main points' it says....

 

 there was no change compared with the year ending March 2020.

[lost]

Aren't labour planning to ban cigarettes for new users? I can also easily see alcohol being targeted more and the sugar tax being rolled out to more things.  

It does seem to be the way we are going post-covid that governments are going to start legislating healthier lives

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Just now, lost said:

Aren't labour planning to ban cigarettes for new users? I can also easily see alcohol being targeted more and the sugar tax being rolled out to more things.  

It does seem to be the way we are going post-covid that governments are going to start legislating healthier lives

I think Scotland are upping their minimum pricing to 80p a unit. I can see England following suit after the election

 

[squirrelarmy]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Did they think you was going to sell it on ? lol

The over subscribing and abuse or prescription drugs and the profits made from it is a massive issue we aren't getting on top of.  The opioid scandal shows this.

I was given some steroids for my brain issues. I was well over prescribed for what I needed. A little bit of research showed me that those same pills are quite sought after in certain circles. 

[Neil]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

id they think you was going to sell it on ? lol

they didn't say that, that was my take away conclusion.

my notes might have said i smoke weed (as i'd fessed up to that just in case it was important.; when i'd been asked about drug use), and she (senior nurse) might have seen that and then had her prejudices run wild.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, lost said:

Aren't labour planning to ban cigarettes for new users? I can also easily see alcohol being targeted more and the sugar tax being rolled out to more things.  

It does seem to be the way we are going post-covid that governments are going to start legislating healthier lives

yep, and start with nice pure drugs as opposed to dirty street drugs.

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Its low...  Probably driven by the fact its ILLEGAL...

yeah, not easy availability is prolly what keeps it low(people like me are lucky enough to be able to buy  over the counter from the local shop).

Edited September 6, 2023 by Neil

[Nobody Interesting]

23 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I just explained how it "works".  No point me repeating it.

Most people don't use illegal drugs regularly. 

but you did not explain how it was working when the very things in place to reduce it have not reduced it, and I am not just talking class A as you quoted in your reply elsewhere and I am also talking about things not yet classed in this country too but known to be lethal.

[Nobody Interesting]

24 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Record levels ?

Things seem pretty steady ? 

This is just Class A drugs. One small part of a big picture.

Here is a site where the big picture is laid bare.

https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/wdr2021.html

Edited September 6, 2023 by Nobody Interesting

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yep, and start with nice pure drugs as opposed to dirty street drugs.

that'd make a big difference  to my own use. 😛 

[Nobody Interesting]

10 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Yeah exactly... Drug use is fairly static according to the facts.  Its low...  Probably driven by the fact its ILLEGAL...

The moaning about drugs is from a bunch of law breakers who want their crimes legalised.  Well, tough ... 

I have never taken illegal drugs in my life.................................. but hey, does that mean I am not allowed an opinion on it?
 

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

This is just Class A drugs. One small part of a big picture.

Here is a site where the big picture is laid bare.

new drug use seems to be all about class b ketamine.

[Nobody Interesting]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

I don't think find anyone who thinks drug laws will stop the use of all drugs.

and that is the point of most people here today and why people are saying that making NOS illegal will make any difference.

So make all the laws you want, add more and more to those laws and it will not make any difference, that has been my point and the point of others. There needs to be a new way to deal with it. Countries all over the world are doing it differently and perhaps it is time the UK joined in.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

I have never taken illegal drugs in my life.................................. but hey, does that mean I am not allowed an opinion on it?
 

He’s trolling you, it’s what he does. Don’t fall for it!

[Nobody Interesting]

Just now, Ozanne said:

He’s trolling you, it’s what he does. Don’t fall for it!

I know, but am not falling for anything............................................. 

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

and that is the point of most people here today and why people are saying that making NOS illegal will make any difference.

So make all the laws you want, add more and more to those laws and it will not make any difference, that has been my point and the point of others. There needs to be a new way to deal with it. Countries all over the world are doing it differently and perhaps it is time the UK joined in.

doing it properly is expensive, rehab ain't cheap. the SNP robbed their rehab money to use the money on pet projects (promoting indie), and now complain about the consequence, and blame that on westminster.

[Guest]

 

Uh oh.

 

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

I know, but am not falling for anything............................................. 

Fair play, I know you wouldn’t fall for his rubbish!

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

I have never taken illegal drugs in my life.................................. but hey, does that mean I am not allowed an opinion on it?
 

I've taken loads.

[steviewevie]

been arrested for it twice too. 😎

[lost]

I actually agree with both sides here. Something being illegal definitely dissuades quite alot of people from starting to do it but equally criminalising the people doing it seems a bad solution too. Aside from it affecting their lives anything organised crime can get involved it affects other people in their community too.

I'm not sure what the answer is 🤷‍♂️

Edited September 6, 2023 by lost

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, lost said:

I actually agree with both sides here. Something being illegal definitely dissuades quite alot of people from starting to do it but equally criminalising the people doing it seems a bad solution too. Aside from it affecting their lives anything organised crime can get involved it affects other people in their community too.

I'm not sure what the answer is 🤷‍♂️

legalise it, regulate it, educate people about it....and tax it.