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[Nobody Interesting]

23 minutes ago, Neil said:

The rate excludes bonuses 

The wage rise figure used includes bonuses and always has.

""it is understood officials are looking at using a lower figure for earnings, by stripping out the effect of bonuses to public sector workers. Such a move could bring the figure used closer to 7.8%, the overall rate excluding bonuses.

Traditionally, the figure for May to July, including bonuses, is used for calculating pensions rises under the triple lock for the following April.""

Edited September 13, 2023 by Nobody Interesting

[squirrelarmy]

5 hours ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

Just for interest people can do their own test here 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

No surprises for me either. Not quite the perfect centrist but close. 
 

[gary1979666]

Thought I may have ended up a bit to the right of the y axis, but must be nicer than I gave myself credit for!

 

[Nobody Interesting]

This is depressing. 2015 is the last time there is  UK Political Party one and look at them all up there on the top right!!!

The only time Labour have been in the bottom left was 2017 and 2019 at the elections, and even then only just in the bottom left.

Given where all the parties are in this graph how the f**k does the 'left' get the blame for everything that has gone wrong when the 'left' has never been in power?

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

This is depressing. 2015 is the last time there is  UK Political Party one and look at them all up there on the top right!!!

The only time Labour have been in the bottom left was 2017 and 2019 at the elections, and even then only just in the bottom left.

Given where all the parties are in this graph how the f**k does the 'left' get the blame for everything that has gone wrong when the 'left' has never been in power?

because for the UK maybe the centre is actually further up/right.

[steviewevie]

[cellar]

This was fun, makes me want to go and do loads of those quizzes that tell me what power ranger I am or what my favourite season is.

[steviewevie]

I mean...

[Nobody Interesting]

I find it hilarious that American's think Biden is a Socialist!!

[lost]

31 minutes ago, gary1979666 said:

Thought I may have ended up a bit to the right of the y axis, but must be nicer than I gave myself credit for!

I am about where you are economically and a bit more libertarian.

Thing is I've seen these surveys posted over the years and everyone ends up in the bottom left box. I'm sure its based on the questions and you could equally phrase the questions so that everyone ends up in any of the other boxes.

Edited September 13, 2023 by lost

[steviewevie]

I expect that in last 40/50 years much of W Europe and N America has shifted right on economics and also down on the authoritan/liberal axis. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by steviewevie

[lost]

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Governments should penalise businesses that mislead the public.

So with this question I took it as the author was on about NatWest lying about de-banking Farage and voted strongly agree as I think they should lose their banking license over it. It appears that makes me very left wing.

[Nobody Interesting]

23 minutes ago, lost said:

I am about where you are economically and a bit more libertarian.

Thing is I've seen these surveys posted over the years and everyone ends up in the bottom left box. I'm sure its based on the questions and you could equally phrase the questions so that everyone ends up in any of the other boxes.

Lots of it is not about the questions and how we answer them..................... but about what we then think about when the time to vote comes along.

Perhaps we are all more in the green box than we might consider as when voting comes along all too many stop lookin g at and thinking about the big picture and instead think of 'self' and nothing more.

I have known people who say the same as I do on many issues and by rights should be 'green voters' but then vote Conservative at elections as that is what they saw as better for them and their household.

[Nobody Interesting]

2 minutes ago, lost said:

So with this question I took it as the author was on about NatWest lying about de-banking Farage and voted strongly agree as I think they should lose their banking license over it. It appears that makes me very left wing.

That's because regulation is deemed the mantra of the left and why the Tories want to deregulate everything - at the same time as clamping down on the freedoms we have available.

[lost]

Just now, Nobody Interesting said:

That's because regulation is deemed the mantra of the left and why the Tories want to deregulate everything - at the same time as clamping down on the freedoms we have available.

Its a stupid question though. Nobody want to deregulate everything in the same way nobody wants to regulate everything.

[Nobody Interesting]

3 minutes ago, lost said:

Its a stupid question though. Nobody want to deregulate everything in the same way nobody wants to regulate everything.

There are good and bad questions in every survey on everything. If it was one of only 5 or 6 questions then the whole thing would be very skewed but as it is one of lots more then is makes little difference to the big picture.......... and I do agree it is a silly question, it was one that I really was not sure how to answer.

[lost]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

There are good and bad questions in every survey on everything. If it was one of only 5 or 6 questions then the whole thing would be very skewed but as it is one of lots more then is makes little difference to the big picture.......... and I do agree it is a silly question, it was one that I really was not sure how to answer.

For me it deals with extremes. Nobody is going to support say a butcher repackaging 6 month old meat as killed last week, selling it off and killing people. If that's how its defining right wing its clear why nobody comes out as right wing.

You need to be a parody of right wing to come out right wing.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

It's worth noting that the Political Compass has been around since 2001 and as far as I am aware the questions haven't changed.

[Nobody Interesting]

3 minutes ago, lost said:

For me it deals with extremes. Nobody is going to support say a butcher repackaging 6 month old meat as killed last week, selling it off and killing people. If that's how its defining right wing its clear why nobody comes out as right wing.

You need to be a parody of right wing to come out right wing.

Oh you can be right wing on it - a landlord of  amicro pub we once drank in completed it and was very right wing........... and he was proud of it too. That was the first day his mask slipped to show his many (now ex) customer how racist and nasty he is.

[Guest]

47 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

This is depressing. 2015 is the last time there is  UK Political Party one and look at them all up there on the top right!!!

The only time Labour have been in the bottom left was 2017 and 2019 at the elections, and even then only just in the bottom left.

Given where all the parties are in this graph how the f**k does the 'left' get the blame for everything that has gone wrong when the 'left' has never been in power?

Labour gets blamed constantly for things going wrong in the country, it took years for people to forget about the financial crises.

The parties are skewed that way because that’s where the electorate is generally speaking. It’s no wonder why the Tories keep on winning elections and then when Labour much further to the left they lost (heavily on one occasion).

[lost]

6 minutes ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

It's worth noting that the Political Compass has been around since 2001 and as far as I am aware the questions haven't changed.

Yep and weighted towards the Americans. The abortion question has generally had a left/right consensus in this country as in we rely on doctors to tell us when the foetus is developed enough to feel pain and set a limit. Though I have noticed since twitter appears to merge both our countries political debate there is a new "internet right" in this country moving over the the American view.

[Neil]

36 minutes ago, lost said:

Nobody want to deregulate everything in the same way nobody wants to regulate everything.

'the right' don't want to be regulated on ripping people off.

[steviewevie]

Right = Evil and Left = Nice.

Obvs.

[stuie]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Right = Evil and Left = Nice.

Obvs.

Yup.

Brexit gave us a nice way of finding out where our friends and family are politically.

Right = Brexiteers and Left = Remainers *

 

*sweeping generalisation!

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, stuie said:

Yup.

Brexit gave us a nice way of finding out where our friends and family are politically.

Right = Brexiteers and Left = Remainers *

 

*sweeping generalisation!

it does brexit although f**k know what it means.