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[Skip997]

Interestingly there's another graph from the same source showing annual greenhouse gas emissions. Asia (excluding Indian and China) have nearly as much as China, yet no mention of The Gulf States /Tiawan/Japan for exmple

[Skip997]

China produces by far the most GHG from coal, but the USA are way above them for oil.

Loads of interesting data here

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-oil?tab=chart

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

2 hours ago, Ozanne said:

Labour's green policies are near enough what Just Stop Oil want, so whilst Labour have bene critical of the group their policies (which is what matters) are in-line with them.

its not really the policies that piss people off but the disruptive protests.

[Nobody Interesting]

13 hours ago, Skip997 said:

As were the suffragettes for example.

Most groups fighting for necessary reforms are unpopular

and then once they get change suddenly they are popular and people soon forget the hassles they thought they had.

Government and opposition are all very keen on insulating houses - remember Insulate Britain? They got the word out there and things did change - but that is slipping back now.

I always remind anyone female who complains about protesters that they only have the right to vote because of protesters.

[Nobody Interesting]

11 hours ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

Yes but they are also increasing its coal consumption which negates the green tech.

When China goes Green, and they will, they will leave the rest of the world behind - look at their sudden and massive production and support of EV's.

They will do it (go green) , it is just when.

Will we do it?

[Nobody Interesting]

11 hours ago, Ozanne said:

Much to Lost's annoyance it would seem. We might as well not bother trying to address climate change because, China.

On the BBC 2 political programme this week a Tory MP said just that - we should do mnothing until China does.

If the Tories get back in we are f**ked.

[Nobody Interesting]

11 hours ago, Skip997 said:

Interestingly there's another graph from the same source showing annual greenhouse gas emissions. Asia (excluding Indian and China) have nearly as much as China, yet no mention of The Gulf States /Tiawan/Japan for exmple

 

11 hours ago, Skip997 said:

China produces by far the most GHG from coal, but the USA are way above them for oil.

Loads of interesting data here

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-oil?tab=chart

It is simply cos China are not our friend and so it is easy to blame them.

The reality is that the entire wealthy world is to blame and it is impossible to single out any one country - it is all of us and our demands for cheap fuel, cheap energy and endless piles of new crap especially at Xmas.

[Skip997]

12 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

It is simply cos China are not our friend and so it is easy to blame them.

The reality is that the entire wealthy world is to blame and it is impossible to single out any one country - it is all of us and our demands for cheap fuel, cheap energy and endless piles of new crap especially at Xmas.

This is the thing that annoys me the most. Pointless crap that may provide very temporary enjoyment and is then quickly forgotten about. First thing I'd do is stop production of such.

[squirrelarmy]

24 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

crap especially at Xmas

Simple solution. 
 

Cancel xmas and save the planet. 

[Nobody Interesting]

9 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

This is the thing that annoys me the most. Pointless crap that may provide very temporary enjoyment and is then quickly forgotten about. First thing I'd do is stop production of such.

Populations are driven to purchase such stuff as without said purchases GDP will collapse and the world recession will be huge.........................

This is one of the main huge elephants in the room - with buying stuff we do not need the economic structure collapses. Look at the UK for July, it rained, so people did not buy new clothes and GDP fell................... If we all stop buying crap we do not ned then there are problems ahead............. if we all keep buying crap we do not need then there are bigger problems ahead.

Will government work this out and act? Of course not.

[Nobody Interesting]

1 minute ago, squirrelarmy said:

Simple solution. 
 

Cancel xmas and save the planet. 

It would actually make a sizeable difference. Most wealthy countries make more plastic and unrecycleable waste in one week of December than they do in the rest of the year (that takes all the production CO2 etc into account as well).

Baby Jesus would be proud.

[steviewevie]

40 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

and then once they get change suddenly they are popular and people soon forget the hassles they thought they had.

Government and opposition are all very keen on insulating houses - remember Insulate Britain? They got the word out there and things did change - but that is slipping back now.

I always remind anyone female who complains about protesters that they only have the right to vote because of protesters.

maybe these things happen anyway...women would have got their vote anyway, maybe oil/gas exploration will stop anyway at some point (probably a long taper realistically), there is an understanding that housing does need better insulating and labour have pledged to do this...

[steviewevie]

39 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

When China goes Green, and they will, they will leave the rest of the world behind - look at their sudden and massive production and support of EV's.

They will do it (go green) , it is just when.

Will we do it?

what they will do is be at forefront of green tech to sell round the world.

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Simple solution. 
 

Cancel xmas and save the planet. 

I'd vote for that. I guess when winters start getting nice a mild there will be no need for it because we'll be down the beach.

[Nobody Interesting]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

maybe these things happen anyway...women would have got their vote anyway, maybe oil/gas exploration will stop anyway at some point (probably a long taper realistically), there is an understanding that housing does need better insulating and labour have pledged to do this...

Women may have got the vote - by 1970 perhaps. Look ate the laws the UK still had in the 1960's for groups that had no protests trying to get them equality and that should tell you all you need to know. Look at when women were ALLOWED to play football as well!!

[Nobody Interesting]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

what they will do is be at forefront of green tech to sell round the world.

as well as using it themselves.

[steviewevie]

The problem is humans. We are a virus etc.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Women may have got the vote - by 1970 perhaps. Look ate the laws the UK still had in the 1960's for groups that had no protests trying to get them equality and that should tell you all you need to know. Look at when women were ALLOWED to play football as well!!

nah, it was happening round the world late 19th and early 20th centuries. Maybe without the suffragettes would have been earlier here (discuss).

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

as well as using it themselves.

well yeah...we'll see, China/India already delayed their net zero pledges thing to some time in the 81st century.

Edited September 15, 2023 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

actually maybe we won't see because we'll be dead.

[steviewevie]

except that live forever tech plasma man.

[philipsteak]

14 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Women may have got the vote - by 1970 perhaps. Look ate the laws the UK still had in the 1960's for groups that had no protests trying to get them equality and that should tell you all you need to know. Look at when women were ALLOWED to play football as well!!

Or things like open their own bank account or get credit. 1970s I think wasn't it?

[Rufus Gwertigan]

16 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Women may have got the vote - by 1970 perhaps. Look ate the laws the UK still had in the 1960's for groups that had no protests trying to get them equality and that should tell you all you need to know. Look at when women were ALLOWED to play football as well!!

The marriage tax allowance didn't change until 1990. Until then the bloke got it irrespective what the wife earned.

[Nobody Interesting]

20 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

nah, it was happening round the world late 19th and early 20th centuries. Maybe without the suffragettes would have been earlier here (discuss).

The majority of countries did not do votes for women (suffrage) until after WW2.

Even with suffrage the UK was dragged kicking and screaming to equal votes and it took 10 years of yet motre protest to actually get near it (1928)