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[Guest]

1 hour ago, lazyred said:

I still think the lead will narrow before the election. Labour will probably lose mid beds but keep Tamworth. Similar results across England plus more than 20 seats in Scotland will see them into govt. It will be a tremendous achievement for Starmer, no one predicted this when he took over. 

People thought he would be current day Kinnock then hand over to the next Blair for 2029 but he’s managed to so far appear to do both. Still a long way to go and nothing is taken for granted but it has been much better than expectations. 

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

That’s a fair point, but is there a mechanism that can allow them to do that other than vote no confidence in their own government which would lose them their seat anyway?

you're correct about the mechanism, the other way is to pressure sunak to do it by threatening a leadership contest.

i reckon by now most mp accept they'll be losing their seat so it doesn't really matter what path is taken from now till election.

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, Neil said:

tories would be smarter to call an election, another leader swap won't recover any voters, thankfully spaffer couldn't stand as leader as he'd need to be an mp (them's the tory party rules).

 

I think they should put Braverman in charge and go hell for leather.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, lazyred said:

I still think the lead will narrow before the election. Labour will probably lose mid beds but keep Tamworth. Similar results across England plus more than 20 seats in Scotland will see them into govt. It will be a tremendous achievement for Starmer, no one predicted this when he took over. 

lots of people predicted he was a winner.  looks like he's going to be - record results is a surprise cos he's charisma-free .

[Neil]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

I think they should put Braverman in charge and go hell for leather.

that would be their 2023 Michael Howard - there's something of the night about braverman.

[cellar]

1 hour ago, squirrelarmy said:

He said he was mid quoted as him saying he was friends with Hamas. It was never disproven though. 

Ah gotcha. I don't know if that convinces me enough to change my position then (that I think Corbyn would better represent my point of view in the current conflict than Sunak).

[Skip997]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

That LBC interview obviously a problem for Starmer...

 

Unless he was misquoted, he clearly said they had the right to cut of water etc..

[lost]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I think they should put Braverman in charge and go hell for leather.

It is probably immigration / highest tax burden in 80 years thats keeping the Tory vote at home, thing is I'm not sure what a new leader could do about either.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Unless he was misquoted, he clearly said they had the right to cut of water etc..

well labour are saying it was overlapping questions or something...he was reiterating they had the right to defend themselves...but that everything needed to be within international law. I guess people will believe him or not depending if they think he is the messiah. I do so I believe.

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, cellar said:

Ah gotcha. I don't know if that convinces me enough to change my position then (that I think Corbyn would better represent my point of view in the current conflict than Sunak).

he wasn't misquoted. its proven he said it, i forget what the proof is now. next up how he was misquoted about the novichok murder!

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, lost said:

It is probably immigration / highest tax burden in 80 years thats keeping the Tory vote at home, thing is I'm not sure what a new leader could do about either.

all they need to do is say they will do something...."we will cut all taxes and cut all immigration!". I'm sure that would work.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

he wasn't misquoted. its proven he said it, i forget what the proof is now. next up how he was misquoted about the novichok murder!

after saying they do have that right, he added  "Obviously everything should be done within international law, but I don't want to step away from the core principles that Israel has a right to defend herself and Hamas bears responsibility for the terrorist acts."

[Neil]

7 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Unless he was misquoted, he clearly said they had the right to cut of water etc..

Hamas are trying to use hostages for pressure with no regard to human rights., why shouldn't  Israel use what's available to them to pressure with little regard to human right, Hamas playing dirty then complaining that the other side don't play fair is laughable. Hamas know exactly what Israel will do in response to the Hamas attacks.

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

all they need to do is say they will do something...."we will cut all taxes and cut all immigration!". I'm sure that would work.

people don't want tax cuts, they want working public services. and i don't think there's anyone daft enough to think  that immigration can be ended.

 

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, Neil said:

lots of people predicted he was a winner.  looks like he's going to be - record results is a surprise cos he's charisma-free .

People do seemingly keep on underestimating Keir Starmer at their peril it seems. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

all they need to do is say they will do something...."we will cut all taxes and cut all immigration!". I'm sure that would work.

I think their brand is so tarnished now that even if they did all this barely anyone would believe they would actually do it. 

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

after saying they do have that right, he added  "Obviously everything should be done within international law, but I don't want to step away from the core principles that Israel has a right to defend herself and Hamas bears responsibility for the terrorist acts."

tmy words were a comment on corbyn  not starmer (see the posts above).

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

People do seemingly keep on underestimating Keir Starmer at their peril it seems. 

he's got lucky by the tories being so very sh*t.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

he's got lucky by the tories being so very sh*t.

That too. Stevie mentioned it earlier as well and I’ve seen it said about Starmer before that he is ‘lucky general’.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

people don't want tax cuts, they want working public services. and i don't think there's anyone daft enough to think  that immigration can be ended.

 

I wouldn't mind not paying any taxes.

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

That too. Stevie mentioned it earlier as well and I’ve seen it said about Starmer before that he is ‘lucky general’.

i don't care if he's lucky or not i only care whether he's a winner.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

I wouldn't mind not paying any taxes.

I'm getting to that age...don't want taxes, support for Israel...etc

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I wouldn't mind not paying any taxes.

Alright Farage.

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

i don't care if he's lucky or not i only care whether he's a winner.

Me too! Labour can actually bring about positive change if he’s a winner. 

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Alright Farage.

Me too! Labour can actually bring about positive change if he’s a winner. 

if labour can just stop the country being as sh*t as it is.so that some thing work again. i remember when we used to have a working post service.

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

i remember when we used to have a working post service.

We still have in these parts