news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

If they do cut a tax it will probably be inheritance tax which only really affects the wealthy (I think).

[squirrelarmy]

47 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

2 instances here were mattiloy accuses squirrel of racism yet no one says anything. Strange that. 

No one takes what he says seriously. Anyone still supporting Corbyn is either an idiot or a troll. As for the racism part I made it clear my opinions were about religion not race. The left loonies are just looking for any reason to justify their support for terrorists. 

[pink_triangle]

43 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Evidence isn't clear either way, Al Jazeera and Ch4 News have already found holes in some of IDF's evidence. Really need an independent body to investigate, but that probably not likely any time soon. I did see French intelligence backed up IDF evidence, nothing from UK yet.

I agree we need that independence to draw any conclusions, all I am seeing on social media is cherry picking. Best case people not really understanding the evidence, unable to make basic assessments about sources etc, worst case people trying to mislead.

[Neil]

its only taken all week, they've opened the rafah crossing and let some food and water in.

[steviewevie]

Argentina are about to vote in a total nutjob as their president.

[steviewevie]

This backs up what skip has been saying.. hopefully world leaders are warning Netanyahu against this... but there could be a huge displacement of people into Egypt... something Egypt doesn't want..

 

[steviewevie]

Kicking off in West Bank too..if Israel want to work with Fatah instead of Hamas they really need to police the settlers there.

[mattiloy]

54 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Kicking off in West Bank too..if Israel want to work with Fatah instead of Hamas they really need to police the settlers there.

75 killed. Largely by settlers. Terrorism.

[steviewevie]

Big pro Palestine protest in London, these could get bigger and bigger the longer this carries on.

[Guest]

 

[Neil]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Kicking off in West Bank too..if Israel want to work with Fatah instead of Hamas they really need to police the settlers there.

Fatah were run out of town cos the Palestinian people had had enough of them, they need a character like Arafat to re-emerge as a power.

[pink_triangle]

30 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

Of course Tory voters stayed at home, it’s a by election and you’re looking at 20-30 percent lower turnout. Labour voters stayed home as well. To me it’s not just the fact Tory voters aren’t bothered about Starmer being PM, but also Lib Dem voters aren’t, that could be crucial in tactical voting.

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

Fatah were run out of town cos the Palestinian people had had enough of them, they need a character like Arafat to re-emerge as a power.

yeah, I think they were corrupt or something? Anyway, at moment it's them or Hamas..and this is the problem for Israel, if they do go in and wipe out Hamas, who replaces them?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, pink_triangle said:

Of course Tory voters stayed at home, it’s a by election and you’re looking at 20-30 percent lower turnout. Labour voters stayed home as well. To me it’s not just the fact Tory voters aren’t bothered about Starmer being PM, but also Lib Dem voters aren’t, that could be crucial in tactical voting.

I think you’ve nailed it, Starmer is viewed as being so safe that some Tory voters aren’t motivated to go out and vote. 

[Guest]

 Hunt is going. 

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 Hunt is going. 

He won't now.

But also why? To avoid humiliation? Bit lame if he wants any future in Tory party. Go down with the sinking ship I reckon.

[Neil]

4 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

Of course Tory voters stayed at home, it’s a by election and you’re looking at 20-30 percent lower turnout. Labour voters stayed home as well. To me it’s not just the fact Tory voters aren’t bothered about Starmer being PM, but also Lib Dem voters aren’t, that could be crucial in tactical voting.

People were thinking tactical voting might lose labour those seats 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Made 15 years ago but still a good doc on history of Israel..

BBC iPlayer - The Birth Of Israel

Edited October 21, 2023 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

 

[squirrelarmy]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

There won’t be any apologies from the left admitting that they were wrong. 

[Guest]

 

[pink_triangle]

11 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

There won’t be any apologies from the left admitting that they were wrong. 

Corbyn still has Israel air strikes as responsible on his twitter. My guess is most of the left commentators will just ignore it.

[Neil]

14 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

yeah, cos another leader will recover their polling. not! the country is sick to death of tories.