news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

plenty of genocide and ethnic cleansing going on in Sudan at moment but no one gives a f**k. Maybe they should ask Israel to get involved.

[steviewevie]

seeing as we can now declare Rwanda safe, can we do same for Syria, Afghanistan, Iran and Eritrea? Would solve the refugee crisis instantly.

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

IDF desperately trying to find a Hamas base in this hospital like US/UK troops trying to find WMD in Iraq.

I'm sure they'll find something. They really can't afford not to.

Edited November 16, 2023 by Ommadawn

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

I'm sure they'll find somethg. They really can't afford not to.

let's hope so...because it's a hospital...and what has happened there is really f**king grim...and we can't continue to carry on and spectate this and go yeah but Hamas...

It needs to end. All sides need to stop throwing dumbarse accusations around...like you're an antisemite or you hate muslims or you support genocide or you support terrorists or what about the hostages or any of that...it is a tragedy and continuing fighting is not going to make it better, it just makes it worse. It needs to end. Now. If this was an Israeli hospital, if this was a British hospital, what would people think then?

Edited November 16, 2023 by steviewevie

[Skip997]

13 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

All sides need to stop throwing dumbarse accusations around

Correct

@Barry Fish

[Justiceforcedave]

17 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

If this was an Israeli hospital, if this was a British hospital, what would people think then?

^This^

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Correct

@Barry Fish

ok, I actually don't want to make it into anything on here...too much needless point scoring...

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

ok, I actually don't want to make it into anything on here...too much needless point scoring...

Fair play

Just sick of him and his unfounded accusations.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Fair play

Just sick of him and his unfounded accusations.

I know, I really do. 

[Guest]

haha classic Sunak. 

[Guest]

 

[Neil]

22 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Are you ready to call Hamas a terrorist organisation?  

condemn the hummus 😛 

[mattiloy]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

plenty of genocide and ethnic cleansing going on in Sudan at moment but no one gives a f**k. Maybe they should ask Israel to get involved.

 

Or Russia.

Or Syria.

Many conflicts get a lot of coverage. Many dont. Sphere of influence, geopolitical importance, having journos and that on the ground.

[mattiloy]

Only anecdotal but.. my family has always voted Labour, parents and my siblings, but they are generally more centre to centre left than myself and have generally been pretty supportive of Starmer to varying degrees (a bit unhappy with his conservative approach to NHS pay disputes and unimpressed with Streeting as shadow health as they all work in the NHS, but besides that, generally seeing his underwhelming performance from a progressive standpoint as being ’for the greater good’).

Anyway, without any comment from me, the family whatsapp has been going off this afternoon/evening with my sisters and mum in particular raging at the lack of support for a ceasefire and expressing their anguish at the fate of the kids in gaza in particular.

Obviously its only a few people but it has surprised me a bit. The penetration of the issue to people with quite differing levels of political engagement and the strength of feeling towards it. One of my sisters has even said she’ll vote green rather than for their local MP who abstained.

So I’m wondering with this handful of datapoints whether it could be a bigger moment than its hitherto been credited as.

Tempered a bit by the lack of an alternative mainstream non genocidal party for the alienated to vote for and the fact that we’re still a way to go until an election. But it could be that Starmer has miscalculated the roll emotions play for many voters and that this is so emotive, and that perception is that an abstention on the ceasefire amendment is perceived as tacit approval of continued bombing.

Edited November 16, 2023 by mattiloy

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-67437534

yeah it was his sons and football and not the parent and porn?

[Neil]

37 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

yanis the c**t -  happy to throw his supporters under a bus, you're not doing it with labour, f**k off and get a conscience.

 

[Neil]

8 hours ago, cellar said:

Even if the vote wouldn't have had any impact, the rebellion of Labour MPs is a big blow for Starmer. He should have just allowed a free vote.

a free vote wouldn't have been any better , cos who wants to support the lets keep killing side.

 

stammer f**ked this up, getting to this point was predictable, the right words a while back could have headed this off. (a failure of leadership)

[Guest]

I wonder if this emergency bill turns into a confidence matter. 

[Neil]

i expect more than empty virture signalling from my MP - luckily "my lots of muslims in my constituency"  mp didn't indulge in it

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Neil said:

a free vote wouldn't have been any better , cos who wants to support the lets keep killing side.

 

stammer f**ked this up, getting to this point was predictable, the right words a while back could have headed this off. (a failure of leadership)

If he offered a free vote most of the people would still complain that it’s not good enough. I dare say whatever he said wouldn’t be good enough. 

[Guest]

It doesn’t sound like there’s been a big ruction in the Labour Party at least from Jess Phillips side of things there hasn’t been. 

[steviewevie]

32 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I wonder if this emergency bill turns into a confidence matter. 

 

[Guest]

Just now, steviewevie said:

 

Quite clearly she’s mad but Sunak’s plan is also mad as he wants to be able to overrule the SC by just legislating that Rwanda is fine. 

[steviewevie]