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[steviewevie]

Just now, Ozanne said:

I see what you are doing.

 

👀. Well they probably won't right? They won't promise to reverse any of it to avoid tax bombshell big spender same old socialist accusations. Plus, Labour want more people to be working and off benefits...they keep banging on about being the party for workers etc.

[steviewevie]

Apparently Cameron wants to restore foreign aid spending....would be a good move.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

👀. Well they probably won't right? They won't promise to reverse any of it to avoid tax bombshell big spender same old socialist accusations. Plus, Labour want more people to be working and off benefits...they keep banging on about being the party for workers etc.

Geez. This isn’t about Labour, the Tories are cutting benefits. 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Geez. This isn’t about Labour, the Tories are cutting benefits. 

yes, but Labour are inheriting this, maybe in about 6 months time.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

yes, but Labour are inheriting this, maybe in about 6 months time.

Yes but this is the Tories cutting benefits. Labour haven’t announced their plans yet. 

Edited November 18, 2023 by Ozanne

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Geez. This isn’t about Labour, the Tories are cutting benefits. 

... so isn't it reasonable to ask if Labour will reverse them? This is a political forum - not a Labour party infatuation thread.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Yes but this is the Tories cutting benefits. Labour haven’t announced their plans yet. 

Starmer getting a bigger fence to sit on maybe? 🙂

[Guest]

I did wonder if there would be any anger whatsoever from people at the Tories looking to cut benefits to buy an election but unsurprisingly that hasn’t happened yet. I can only assume why. 

[pink_triangle]

10 hours ago, Ommadawn said:

I guess the smart move for the Tories would be to now push for a ceasefire which would split Labour even further between what seems like the majority of their supporters and their Jewish counterparts. I think Starmer has really f**ked up here. Not a good look for a future PM.

That would be incredibly not smart as would split the torys. They will just continue to follow the US policy as will probably labour.

[Neil]

13 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Geez. This isn’t about Labour, the Tories are cutting benefits. 

Not much cutting. gonna be sbout trying to force people back to work. I Found out Not even the NHS would employ somone with my disabilities for a desk job  if they want me back in work that sort of thing needs to change.

[Neil]

11 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

You was asked a decent question...  Will Labour reverse them ?   and you know the answer....  

Labour has worked it's budgeting on current numbers and can easily reverse any tory changes.

[pink_triangle]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

I think they have more money to play with, and they would argue that benefits cuts are trying and get people back to work,but does seem cruel...and inheritance tax cut is only nice for wealthy people.

Still, election to come next year, so likely more of this sort of thing next April.

The Torys know that cutting benefits won’t impact on most of their voters but will appeal to people who think “scroungers” are sitting at home raking it in with 20 kids, with sky subscriptions and new phones.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

That would be incredibly not smart as would split the torys. They will just continue to follow the US policy as will probably labour.

would be smart if Starmer could pre-empt when the inevitable call for a ceasefire will come, so he doesn't just look like a sheep.

Edited November 18, 2023 by steviewevie

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

Labour has worked it's budgeting on current numbers and can easily reverse any tory changes.

Well, let's hope so. Time will tell no doubt.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

Labour has worked it's budgeting on current numbers and can easily reverse any tory changes.

they can, but likely wouldn't promise to do it before an election, as frustrating as that might be.

[Ryan1984]

17 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

would be smart if Starmer could pre-empt when the inevitable call for a ceasefire will come, so he doesn't just look like a sheep.

He has the magical power, doesn’t he?

Edited November 18, 2023 by Ryan1984

[cellar]

50 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

The cuts being suggested are around working benefits...  Nothing to do with disable people unless the papers have it wrong.

I struggled to find much info on it, beyond that they're considering using the lower October inflation rate instead the usual September rate to decide benefit payment amounts. Do you have any links to more info?

Suppose I could just wait until next week 😅

[cellar]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

I said papers but it was actually radio chatter on LBC.  I don't think it's been made clear by the tories what the plans are.   Maybe the Sunday papers will have something to say.

Ah fair enough. Looking forward to the OBR report, really gets you in the mood for Christmas.

[Guest]

46 minutes ago, Neil said:

Labour has worked it's budgeting on current numbers and can easily reverse any tory changes.

Of course they have, that’s why Labour haven’t announced their tax plans yet because so much can change before the next election and it gives more time for the media/Tories to twist the narrative. People know this really. 

[Guest]

 

[cellar]

Yeah the IHT stuff is clearly just trying to secure votes in their typical base. Still dreaming of a CGT increase, but I know that'll be nowhere to be seen.

[lazyred]

22 minutes ago, cellar said:

Ah fair enough. Looking forward to the OBR report, really gets you in the mood for Christmas.

The propsed benefit cuts are to balance the tax cuts for the OBR report and a trap for Labour. They expect to lose and not  have to implement them. Just like the tax allowance freeze which is planned up for a few more years. In a coupe of years anyone with just a full state pension will have to pay tax so I donlt think they can keep it for that long

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, lazyred said:

The propsed benefit cuts are to balance the tax cuts for the OBR report and a trap for Labour. They expect to lose and not  have to implement them. Just like the tax allowance freeze which is planned up for a few more years. In a coupe of years anyone with just a full state pension will have to pay tax so I donlt think they can keep it for that long

Everything's a trap for Labour with this lot, when they could actually be trying to make the country better. They aren't even governing anymore.

[steviewevie]

28 minutes ago, lazyred said:

The propsed benefit cuts are to balance the tax cuts for the OBR report and a trap for Labour. They expect to lose and not  have to implement them. Just like the tax allowance freeze which is planned up for a few more years. In a coupe of years anyone with just a full state pension will have to pay tax so I donlt think they can keep it for that long

they don't need to do the benefits cut though do they? They have got loads more from income taxes due to the freezing of thresholds and inflation...?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

they don't need to do the benefits cut though do they? They have got loads more from income taxes due to the freezing of thresholds and inflation...?

Yes that's why I was saying it's a hideous move. It's an ideological move designed to impact the less fortunate in society. Whilst they cut IHT which only benefits the well-off.