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  On 11/18/2023 at 9:08 AM, Ozanne said:

I see what you are doing.

 

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👀. Well they probably won't right? They won't promise to reverse any of it to avoid tax bombshell big spender same old socialist accusations. Plus, Labour want more people to be working and off benefits...they keep banging on about being the party for workers etc.

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  On 11/18/2023 at 9:11 AM, steviewevie said:

👀. Well they probably won't right? They won't promise to reverse any of it to avoid tax bombshell big spender same old socialist accusations. Plus, Labour want more people to be working and off benefits...they keep banging on about being the party for workers etc.

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Geez. This isn’t about Labour, the Tories are cutting benefits. 

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I did wonder if there would be any anger whatsoever from people at the Tories looking to cut benefits to buy an election but unsurprisingly that hasn’t happened yet. I can only assume why. 

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  On 11/17/2023 at 11:15 PM, Ommadawn said:

I guess the smart move for the Tories would be to now push for a ceasefire which would split Labour even further between what seems like the majority of their supporters and their Jewish counterparts. I think Starmer has really f**ked up here. Not a good look for a future PM.

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That would be incredibly not smart as would split the torys. They will just continue to follow the US policy as will probably labour.

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  On 11/18/2023 at 9:16 AM, Ozanne said:

Geez. This isn’t about Labour, the Tories are cutting benefits. 

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Not much cutting. gonna be sbout trying to force people back to work. I Found out Not even the NHS would employ somone with my disabilities for a desk job  if they want me back in work that sort of thing needs to change.

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  On 11/18/2023 at 7:24 AM, steviewevie said:

I think they have more money to play with, and they would argue that benefits cuts are trying and get people back to work,but does seem cruel...and inheritance tax cut is only nice for wealthy people.

Still, election to come next year, so likely more of this sort of thing next April.

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The Torys know that cutting benefits won’t impact on most of their voters but will appeal to people who think “scroungers” are sitting at home raking it in with 20 kids, with sky subscriptions and new phones.

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  On 11/18/2023 at 9:32 AM, pink_triangle said:

That would be incredibly not smart as would split the torys. They will just continue to follow the US policy as will probably labour.

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would be smart if Starmer could pre-empt when the inevitable call for a ceasefire will come, so he doesn't just look like a sheep.

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  On 11/18/2023 at 9:23 AM, Barry Fish said:

The cuts being suggested are around working benefits...  Nothing to do with disable people unless the papers have it wrong.

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I struggled to find much info on it, beyond that they're considering using the lower October inflation rate instead the usual September rate to decide benefit payment amounts. Do you have any links to more info?

Suppose I could just wait until next week 😅

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  On 11/18/2023 at 9:34 AM, Neil said:

Labour has worked it's budgeting on current numbers and can easily reverse any tory changes.

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Of course they have, that’s why Labour haven’t announced their tax plans yet because so much can change before the next election and it gives more time for the media/Tories to twist the narrative. People know this really. 

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  On 11/18/2023 at 10:21 AM, cellar said:

Ah fair enough. Looking forward to the OBR report, really gets you in the mood for Christmas.

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The propsed benefit cuts are to balance the tax cuts for the OBR report and a trap for Labour. They expect to lose and not  have to implement them. Just like the tax allowance freeze which is planned up for a few more years. In a coupe of years anyone with just a full state pension will have to pay tax so I donlt think they can keep it for that long

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  On 11/18/2023 at 10:48 AM, lazyred said:

The propsed benefit cuts are to balance the tax cuts for the OBR report and a trap for Labour. They expect to lose and not  have to implement them. Just like the tax allowance freeze which is planned up for a few more years. In a coupe of years anyone with just a full state pension will have to pay tax so I donlt think they can keep it for that long

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Everything's a trap for Labour with this lot, when they could actually be trying to make the country better. They aren't even governing anymore.

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  On 11/18/2023 at 10:48 AM, lazyred said:

The propsed benefit cuts are to balance the tax cuts for the OBR report and a trap for Labour. They expect to lose and not  have to implement them. Just like the tax allowance freeze which is planned up for a few more years. In a coupe of years anyone with just a full state pension will have to pay tax so I donlt think they can keep it for that long

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they don't need to do the benefits cut though do they? They have got loads more from income taxes due to the freezing of thresholds and inflation...?

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  On 11/18/2023 at 11:18 AM, steviewevie said:

they don't need to do the benefits cut though do they? They have got loads more from income taxes due to the freezing of thresholds and inflation...?

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Yes that's why I was saying it's a hideous move. It's an ideological move designed to impact the less fortunate in society. Whilst they cut IHT which only benefits the well-off.

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