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[steviewevie]

Sunak the hippy eco extremist going to Dubai to meet with all the other hippy eco extremists today.

[steviewevie]

but he's not in hock with ideological zealots apparently. What a stupid thing to say. So depressing that it has become a political/ideological thing. Humans are so dumb.

[steviewevie]

Meanwhile in Greece

[steviewevie]

..and ceasefire over in Gaza. Grim. How does that thing end?

[squirrelarmy]

19 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

..and ceasefire over in Gaza. Grim. How does that thing end?

It doesn’t end until one side doesn’t exist anymore. 
 

There’s more chance of walking on Mars than peace in that region. 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

maybe the likes of owen jones should read this...

 

[steviewevie]

Sunak telling COP that we're watering down our net zero policies because bit difficult...but it is really important so we're stick with our goals without doing anything about it.

[steviewevie]

 

[Skip997]

6 hours ago, squirrelarmy said:

It doesn’t end until one side doesn’t exist anymore. 
 

And that's only ending one way

[Neil]

On 11/30/2023 at 11:12 AM, steviewevie said:

May looking less likely again?

Jan 2025 I reckon

There's needs to be a reason why things would be better by delaying. No one can see why things will improve for the Tories 

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

There's needs to be a reason why things would be better by delaying. No one can see why things will improve for the Tories 

Yeah, probably not...so they will have to calculate whether to go for it in the spring when still 20 points behind, or wait and hope economy picks up enough or a flight leaves for Rwanda or something unexpected happens to narrow the polls.

Edited December 1, 2023 by steviewevie

[squirrelarmy]

7 minutes ago, Neil said:

There's needs to be a reason why things would be better by delaying. No one can see why things will improve for the Tories 

The longer they delay the more money can be shuffled out of the countries cash reserves and into their offshore accounts 

[Neil]

I see Scotland are sending the pandas home as another strategy for indy is seen to have failed. Pandas are worth spending money on, Scots - not so much.

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[Guest]

 

[lost]

Interesting article on labours plans for the NHS:

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If we just pour ever-increasing amounts of taxpayer money into a broken system, we will continue to get worse health outcomes than other leading economies. And I genuinely fear for the future sustainability of the NHS in that situation.

the NHS is already soaking up 44 per cent of government spending.

International league tables show that Australia’s health services outperform those of the UK on a wealth of measures: life expectancy, mortality from cancer, heart attacks and strokes among them.

it achieves this while spending significantly less on health, at 9.6 per cent of GDP compared with the UK’s 11.3 per cent,

 

Edited December 2, 2023 by lost

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, lost said:

Interesting article on labours plans for the NHS:

 

they obviously pay doctors better too as ours are or leaving for there.

[Neil]

even if oz has the answer labour won't be allowed to do it, because any nhs change is setting it up to be sold off in the minds of the closed minds.

there are many  improvements that can be made and fixing them is often stopped by the obstructionists.

eg: bristol has contracted some stuff out to charities who are now delivering services that the nhs never provided. obstructionists : "no contracting out!"

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

even if oz has the answer labour won't be allowed to do it, because any nhs change is setting it up to be sold off in the minds of the closed minds.

there are many  improvements that can be made and fixing them is often stopped by the obstructionists.

eg: bristol has contracted some stuff out to charities who are now delivering services that the nhs never provided. obstructionists : "no contracting out!"

I have the answer to many things 😉

[steviewevie]

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Starmer says Thatcher was awesome.

[mattiloy]

23 hours ago, lost said:

Interesting article on labours plans for the NHS:

 

Australia also with a lower median age and much less income and wealth inequality.

A large and increasing share of the NHS budget goes on managing chronic illnesses that are often basically caused by poverty.

You cant solve the NHS’ problems without solving the social problems that blight the uk, and the best way to do that is by reducing inequality.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

A large and increasing share of the NHS budget goes on managing chronic illnesses that are often basically caused by poverty

an awful lot isn't that, a growing proportion is going to people like me, the oldies disabled like me, long term disabilities caused by stoke (strokes happen to one in four people, mostly - but not always - in later life; i play football with a 25 year old guy who's had a stroke). this is a growing number of people currently because of the population peak. the inactivity caused by those disabilities, is going to cause an even greater amount of diabetes   - which has its own health service load.

 

these are not conditions caused by poverty