news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Fair enough. Imagine if Starmer had said they would spend, the media would jump on that too. They can’t win either way. 

Well yeah, it was a trap. 

[lazyred]

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Fair enough. Imagine if Starmer had said they would spend, the media would jump on that too. They can’t win either way. 

They have to increase taxes or increase borrowing or cut spending in real terms. This is the current state of Govt finances after the autumn statement. The growth they need wont come without more invesrment and reforms. Talking about non doms and stopping tax abuse won't get them through an election campaign. The areas left open are borrowing to invest and increasing taxes on wealth and capital gains.

[steviewevie]

Even Tim Stanley isn't impressed

 

[Guest]

 

[Neil]

12 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

the govt had already accepted they'd do that, the revolt is probably because of that  previous commitment

[Guest]

 

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

You are right they had already committed to do that.  This is about the application of it not the overall principle. 

think the rebels thought the overall principle might be under threat.

[Guest]

It’s another sign that Sunak has no control and should just call a general election. 

[Ryan1984]

12 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

You really don't know what you are talking about Stevie...

Many industries have been absolutely overloaded over the couple of years with cheap foreign labour because Boris allowed them to have a 20% on the threshold.  Its pretty much wrecked the employment market in many industries like technology.  You could basically bring someone into the country, with all their dependents on a salary of just £26k which is desperately low and causes huge problems for UK workers.  Only benefits corporations wanting to drive down wages.

You have been indoctrinated to think immigration on mass is required for health sector while ignoring the damage done to other industries the average UK workers salary last couple of years.

You are basically screaming out to protect the profits of big companies without realising you are doing.

These changes are backed by most decent tories and labour.  

It’s been a race to the bottom for a while.  Don't support it.  

It’s clearly low and not enough for most to live on but is £26k that different to the average ‘shop floor’ worker nowadays? 

https://www.avtrinity.com/uk-average-salary#:~:text=The median average salary for,from £31%2C285 in 2021).

What is the average salary in the UK?

In April 2022, the median gross annual pay in the UK was £27,756.

What is the average salary in England?

In April 2022, the median gross annual pay in England was £28,000.

Edited December 5, 2023 by Ryan1984

[Neil]

We've finally sent someone to Rwanda, let's hope James cleverly stays there.

[steviewevie]

22 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

It’s clearly low and not enough for most to live on but is £26k that different to the average ‘shop floor’ worker nowadays? 

https://www.avtrinity.com/uk-average-salary#:~:text=The median average salary for,from £31%2C285 in 2021).

What is the average salary in the UK?

In April 2022, the median gross annual pay in the UK was £27,756.

What is the average salary in England?

In April 2022, the median gross annual pay in England was £28,000.

the big uptick of those coming in with work visas since 2022 is down to health/social care workers...so not sure this salary cap affects many of those, but this dependents ruling will.

 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

We've finally sent someone to Rwanda, let's hope James cleverly stays there.

this flights to Rwanda thing is crazy, so much time, money and energy being spent on it...do Tories think it's the one thing that can save them?

[steviewevie]

Even Spectator critical...

 

[mattiloy]

23 hours ago, squirrelarmy said:

As a Northerner who grew up in Thatchers era I’ve witnessed firsthand the effects of the mines being shut not that long after the closure of the mills  

She is a hated figure up here still but she knew changes had to be made, the mining era had to end at some point. My city changed from being a centre of the wool trade to a telecoms hub in the 80s  

The old mining towns are still feeling the effects even though they’re now becoming commuter hubs for those working in the city. It’s only the older generations still being bitter.

Yes, there was light at the end of the tunnel for those communities. 30 years later they were to become hollowed out commuter towns whose utility is measured in how close they are to the motorway. Brilliant. Thanks Maggie!

I wonder if Olaf Scholtz mentioned how much meaningful change the fella with the moustache made ahead of his election campaign. 

[mattiloy]

On 12/4/2023 at 9:21 AM, steviewevie said:

In other words - fix the sh*tty legacy of Thatcher/Blair/Cameron and definitely don’t do it all over again.

[steviewevie]

discuss.

[lost]

41 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

discuss.

After Wilders won, I was actually thinking if Le Pen wins in France and AFD make inroads in Germany we could see a scenario in the future where the right in the UK want to re-join and the left stay out.

Edited December 5, 2023 by lost

[steviewevie]

Labour could have a double whammy of spending cuts and a social care crisis due to a lack of staff to deal with. Tories laying mines everywhere.

[steviewevie]

Israel aren't going to win this war. They have estimated to have killed about 5000 Hamas fighters, leaving between 20 and 35k. Meanwhile there will be more and more who will want to join Hamas or an equivalent and destroy Israel following this onslaught. Nobody wins.

[steviewevie]

need more people like this...

 

[lazyred]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

discuss.

The economy didn't crash, Covid covered up the short term economic damage and the EU also has slow growth at the moment. Low paid workers have seen pay rises above minimum wage , small export businesses have lost trade. Otherwise most people are unaffected. Going forward we've just rejoined Horizen and there'll probably be other deals to mutually recognise standards etc. Most people just aren't bothered and they don't want another big national arguement about it.

[Neil]

6 hours ago, steviewevie said:

the big uptick of those coming in with work visas since 2022 is down to health/social care workers...so not sure this salary cap affects many of those, but this dependents ruling will.

 

there's a lot of social care visas being issued to non-social care workers - its being used as a scam somehow, not sure how, it might be other job applicants putting social care as they think a visa is more likely.

[fred quimby]

6 hours ago, steviewevie said:

this flights to Rwanda thing is crazy, so much time, money and energy being spent on it...do Tories think it's the one thing that can save them?

There are a few European countries watching how we do. 

[steviewevie]

30 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

There are a few European countries watching how we do. 

europe going to off shore the problem to the colonies.

[clarkete]

"Rees-Mogg said the level of legal migration was a more serious problem than people crossing the Channel on small boats. “In terms of the numbers, the small boats is a distraction""