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[steviewevie]

At least he isn't scared to use the word ceasefire.

[Neil]

feeling happy cos i've just found my  two smartwatches that i'd not seen for four months and thought they might be lost. 🙂 

they're very good smartwatches with features that're wasted on me and  annoyingly short battery lives.

[steviewevie]

Yeah c**t

 

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[Guest]

5 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Cameron has announced that UK and Germany now calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.

Is this actually true?

[Rufus Gwertigan]

17 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Is this actually true?

Yep

[steviewevie]

21 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Is this actually true?

 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

So not just a ceasefire? 

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

So not just a ceasefire? 

A sexy ceasefire 

[steviewevie]

Sorry I mean sustainable. Stupid autocorrect.

[mattiloy]

A couple of days ago I read of a palestinian baby with cerebral palsy. Starved to death because he needed special food that he wasn’t able to get, couldnt tolerate other food.

Yesterday I read of unarmed, shirtless hostages being shot by the IDF.

Today I read of another airstrike against a refugee camp and of a lib dem MPs family trapped in a catholic church, with anyone leaving being shot by snipers.

Is it okay to criticise Israel yet?

[Rufus Gwertigan]

36 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

Yesterday I read of unarmed, shirtless hostages being shot by the IDF.

 

I read they were waving a makeshift white flag as well.

Just checked about the cerebral palsy kid and I was shocked.

 

 

Links here for skeptics.

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6017/UN-agencies-risk-being-complicit-in-Israel’s-use-of-starvation-as-warfare-against-Gaza-civilians

[mattiloy]

35 minutes ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

I read they were waving a makeshift white flag as well.

Just checked about the cerebral palsy kid and I was shocked.

 

 

Links here for skeptics.

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6017/UN-agencies-risk-being-complicit-in-Israel’s-use-of-starvation-as-warfare-against-Gaza-civilians

Heres the thread:

https://x.com/stevesosebee/status/1735369360967884926?s=46
 

This poor little boy starved to death.
 

Is that what defeating Hamas looks like?

I think its what evil looks like.

[Neil]

30 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I wonder what people think a ceasefire would look like ?

according to radio 4 its all about putting an alternative to hamas in place.(if hamas suspect that they won't go along with it).

[lazyred]

3 hours ago, Ozanne said:

So not just a ceasefire? 

Their idea of a sustainable ceasefire is one where Hamas put down their weapons:

"But let us be clear. We do not believe that calling right now for a general and immediate ceasefire, hoping it somehow becomes permanent, is the way forward. It ignores why Israel is forced to defend itself: Hamas barbarically attacked Israel and still fires rockets to kill Israeli citizens every day. Hamas must lay down its arms."

David Cameron: Why the UK and Germany back a sustainable ceasefire

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ecbaacce-fd34-48bb-838d-98b62c7ef40b?shareToken=b521e1c4319cad08a39fc83058f548ee

 

[Guest]

52 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Their idea of a sustainable ceasefire is one where Hamas put down their weapons:

"But let us be clear. We do not believe that calling right now for a general and immediate ceasefire, hoping it somehow becomes permanent, is the way forward. It ignores why Israel is forced to defend itself: Hamas barbarically attacked Israel and still fires rockets to kill Israeli citizens every day. Hamas must lay down its arms."

David Cameron: Why the UK and Germany back a sustainable ceasefire

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ecbaacce-fd34-48bb-838d-98b62c7ef40b?shareToken=b521e1c4319cad08a39fc83058f548ee

 

Thats what I saw earlier too.

[Neil]

just heard a great piece about social solidarity, one the the the Reith Lectures on radio 4.

anyone who thinks themselves a lefty should give it a listen. 🙂 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001t9f9

 

[steviewevie]

8 hours ago, lazyred said:

Their idea of a sustainable ceasefire is one where Hamas put down their weapons:

"But let us be clear. We do not believe that calling right now for a general and immediate ceasefire, hoping it somehow becomes permanent, is the way forward. It ignores why Israel is forced to defend itself: Hamas barbarically attacked Israel and still fires rockets to kill Israeli citizens every day. Hamas must lay down its arms."

David Cameron: Why the UK and Germany back a sustainable ceasefire

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ecbaacce-fd34-48bb-838d-98b62c7ef40b?shareToken=b521e1c4319cad08a39fc83058f548ee

 

Well yeah so let's see. A ceasefire now would still see Hamas in control, right? And that would mean neither side has won...it would just mean 20k dead people for nothing.

Whole thing is f**ked. 2 state solution isn't happening. Israel has inspired a whole new generation to want their destruction, in Gaza, West Bank, across the Middle East, and right round the world. Antisemitism has gone through the roof. Israel and Jews everywhere are now less secure, and the lives of Gazans has been destroyed. All for who should be able to live on this sh*tty bit of land on the eastern side of the med.

Edited December 18, 2023 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

Some bad sh*t going on in Sudan too but no one cares about that.

[steviewevie]

Ben Wallace having a few words about Israel in the telegraph..

 

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[Neil]

40 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Ben Wallace having a few words about Israel in the telegraph..

 

what will fuel the conflict for another 50 years is the conflict being unresolved.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

what will fuel the conflict for another 50 years is the conflict being unresolved.

and how does it get resolved? Hamas aren't going to surrender, and doesn't look like they will be defeated unless Israel are intent on just flattening the lot.