news & politics:discussion

[Neil]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

EU ok with it apparently.

internationals ok with Israel apparently.

[Neil]

57 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Israel are saying they plan to control Gaza like they do West Bank after the war...which I guess means they plan to carry on with this fighting with Hamas thing indefinitely. Netanyahu has also said that they will not agree to release Palestinian prisoners or withdraw forces in any hostage deal. So..kind of looks like Israel are just saying f**k you to everyone.

there would have to be a hostage deal first only one side stopping that.So..kind of looks like Hamas are just saying f**k you to steviewevie .

[Skip997]

13 minutes ago, Neil said:

internationals ok with Israel apparently.

Not really

It's just that they can't do much to stop it, short of wading in.

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Not really

It's just that they can't do much to stop it, short of wading in.

backing Hamas does nothing to stop it it just continues it. you want it to continue don't you?

[steviewevie]

20 minutes ago, Neil said:

there would have to be a hostage deal first only one side stopping that.So..kind of looks like Hamas are just saying f**k you to steviewevie .

well yeah...ok...but it would seem that Hamas will only release hostages if Israel release 1000s of prisoners.

Both sides drive me up the f**king wall to be honest, someone should just nuke the lot.

[Skip997]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

 you want it to continue don't you?

I want Israeli to be finally held responsible for their actions and actually be properly sanctioned by the "international community".

The time for saying "can you please reign your-self's in" is long gone.

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

well yeah...ok...but it would seem that Hamas will only release hostages if Israel release 1000s of prisoners.

Both sides drive me up the f**king wall to be honest, someone should just nuke the lot.

israel have offered a prisoner release, Hamas didn't offer a hostage release.

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

I want Israeli to be finally held responsible for their actions and actually be properly sanctioned by the "international community".

The time for saying "can you please reign your-self's in" is long gone.

and yet its what you say but to just one side.

Edited January 30 by Neil

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

israel have offered a prisoner release, Hamas didn't offer a hostage release.

you in the negotiations?

Netanyahu just said there won't be a large scale prisoner release as part of any hostage release truce deal.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

you in the negotiations?

Netanyahu just said there won't be a large scale prisoner release as part of any hostage release truce deal.

yeah, cos hamas refused the release offer made in the last few days - so there won't be one.

[steviewevie]

Win for UK/DUP...the EU does budge after all...

 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

yeah, cos hamas refused the release offer made in the last few days - so there won't be one.

where have you seen that?

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

where have you seen that?

was reported on radio4

[Neil]

labour politicians spaffing money.

 

bristol has just spent £50M+ doing up its main concert hall, i went there last night to see a band and could barely notice a difference from when i was last there. 😞 

 

more money than sense.

[Neil]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

israel thought they had a 'serious' deal the other day till Hamas pulled the plug. can't see Israel  getting into that again quickly.

[lazyred]

23 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

There's reports of a deal thrashed out in Paris. Hamas have said they'll look at it to be implemented in stages. The Isreali comments might just be politics to reassure people they aren't giving away too much. Also keeping a security watch over Gaza similar to the West bank isn't the same as full occupation.

[kaosmark2]

2 hours ago, Kurosagi said:

RIP Bazza

 

2 hours ago, fred quimby said:

I for one will miss Barry the fish. I know he wound some up but enjoyed his position and content.

The only thing I'm going to add to what crazyfool has already said that the ban had nothing to do with his expressed political views. It's worth emphasising that in the first 5 years where I was a mod I argued with him repeatedly on political issues here and he never once got banned for any of that behaviour.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, lazyred said:

 Also keeping a security watch over Gaza similar to the West bank isn't the same as full occupation.

no, just partial occupation...it is hardly accepting Palestine as an autonomous sovereign state.

[lazyred]

42 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Win for UK/DUP...the EU does budge after all...

 

One of the problems is the EU being stricter at the GB/NI broder than other entry points to the single market. They are entitled to do it of course but we are still very close to their standards so it is a deliberate tactic. Possibly they do it so they have something to give away in negotiations like these

Edited January 30 by lazyred

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, lazyred said:

One of the problems is the EU being stricter at the GB/NI broder than other entry points to the single market. They are entitled to do it of course but we are still very close to their standards so it is a deliberate tactic. Possibly they do it so they have something to away give in negotitions like these

the problem was that a border had to go somewhere...this seems to be the best fudge possible.

[lazyred]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

no, just partial occupation...it is hardly accepting Palestine as an autonomous sovereign state.

I agree but they keep launching rockets and grooming teenagers to stab people on buses.

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, lazyred said:

I agree but they keep launching rockets and grooming teenagers to stab people on buses.

well yeah..not sure bombing the f**k of them helps though, unless the plan is to kill everyone.

[Skip997]

Just now, steviewevie said:

well yeah..not sure bombing the f**k of them helps though, unless the plan is to kill everyone.

At least half of Gaza's buildings damaged or destroyed, new analysis shows

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68006607

[lazyred]

Paris deal to be discussed by Hamas in Cairo. Isreal were involved in the talks with US, Qatar and Egypt

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/30/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-discuss-gaza-ceasefire-proposal-cairo-israel-palestine