news & politics:discussion

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Its the fiscal rules that need to change in particular the rule about debt falling after five years. They can still reduce the deficit on current spending and use the borrow to invest rule for the green plan 

Labour’s fiscal rules will differ from the Tories within a year just like they did last time round. They can amend certain rules so that the policies will be able to fit within the rules. 

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

I guess...as Skip says shouldn't worry about counting the pennies...

We haven't got time to count the pennies

Last time I checked you can't eat or drink money, esp when it's 1's and 0's on a server

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

The dream of continual growth on a planet with finite resources and susceptible to collapse due to human greed is what's killing this planet.

As a species we actually deserve what's coming 

it's not even that, although obviously that doesn't help...it's the fact we are burning fossil fuels for energy right now...if we suddenly somehow switch our energy source to something which doesn't pump greenhouse gases into the atmosphere then in theory we can keep on growing without f**king the climate..in theory.  And to switch to these alternative sources is massive, easy to say just stop using gas/oil/coal...easy peasy...but we're so reliant on it in so many ways...heat/transport/steel/cement...it will take a while to switch. I agree we need to cut back on consumption, but surely at moment no.1 priority has to be finding and using greener energy. And I have said this a few times, it is good that UK has ambitious net zero goals, but need China/India/USA to get moving rapidly or we're not going to get anywhere...and need to persuade the developing countries to stop developing and stay poor.

[Guest]

Saying ‘we deserve what’s coming’ probably isn’t the best way of trying to get people on side. That’ll turn people off your cause pretty quickly. 

[steviewevie]

didn't even have to wait a week...

 

[steviewevie]

when comes to the next election I'm sure people will think, yes, I will vote Labour...fiscal prudence is just what the country needs.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

didn't even have to wait a week...

 

Like night follows day. 

[Crazyfool01]

f**k it I’m voting Lib Dem now 

[steviewevie]

I might vote Tory. May as well be honest with myself.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

The dream of continual growth on a planet with finite resources and susceptible to collapse due to human greed is what's killing this planet.

As a species we actually deserve what's coming 

growth isn't just growth in stuff - growth in personal services is also growth! can also be growth in prejudice and ignorance and then we do deserve what's coming.

Edited February 1 by Neil

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

growth isn't just growth in stuff - growth in personal services is also growth!

Trees grow too.

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

immigration and spending is about to swing round to focus on labour  again, cos....

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Home Office asks for emergency £2.6bn after asylum seeker hotels overspend

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/01/home-office-asks-for-emergency-26bn-after-asylum-seeker-hotels-overspend

 

Edited February 2 by Neil

[steviewevie]

Blair bloke talking about youknowwhat

 

[steviewevie]

This horrific Clapham attack story is catnip for the whole anti-immigration stop the boats lot...Afghan asylum seeker who has come here in the back of a lorry commits a sex offence whilst waiting for asylum claim, claim is rejected, converts to Christianity, claim accepted...

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

This horrific Clapham attack story is catnip for the whole anti-immigration stop the boats lot...Afghan asylum seeker who has come here in the back of a lorry commits a sex offence whilst waiting for asylum claim, claim is rejected, converts to Christianity, claim accepted...

so that will likely be the focus, rather than its another incident of man on women/children violence.

[Neil]

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As young women become dramatically more liberal, young men are getting more conservative, not only in the US but – according to a Financial Times analysis – from South Korea to Germany, Poland to China. Though the divide is relatively modest in Britain, polling this week found that one in five British men aged 16 to 29 who have heard of him think warmly of Andrew Tate

thats from...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/02/younger-women-barbie-gen-z-men-feminism

 

i'd say  - from observing here for 25 years....: that uk men are becoming more conservative.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

thats from...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/02/younger-women-barbie-gen-z-men-feminism

 

i'd say  - from observing here for 25 years....: that uk men are becoming more conservative.

The Kids Are Alt-Right

[lost]

43 minutes ago, Neil said:

As young women become dramatically more liberal, young men are getting more conservative, not only in the US but – according to a Financial Times analysis – from South Korea to Germany, Poland to China.

Apparently women move to the right after having kids. Probably linked to being more aware of threats (percieved or real) So women could be explained by the declining birth rate.

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, lost said:

Apparently women move to the right after having kids. Probably linked to being more aware of threats (percieved or real) So women could be explained by the declining birth rate.

This is younger women, Gen Z...so before having kids and becoming facist mums.

[Skip997]

15 minutes ago, lost said:

Apparently women move to the right after having kids. Probably linked to being more aware of threats (percieved or real) So women could be explained by the declining birth rate.

Doesn't apply to any women I know.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Green surge

 

[Neil]

46 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Doesn't apply to any women I know.

Totnes woman has gone very right wing lately. There's a lot of bad around Exeter like all the EDF and nazi posters on lamposts etc.

[steviewevie]

48 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Doesn't apply to any women I know.

yeah but they're all anarchist counter culture green voters, so not really representative.