news & politics:discussion

[Neil]

It's probably a good thing that the USA has attacked Iran in Iraq and Syria rather than within Iran.

iran is less likely to get badly nasty this way  I think.

[steviewevie]

10 hours ago, Neil said:

It's probably a good thing that the USA has attacked Iran in Iraq and Syria rather than within Iran.

iran is less likely to get badly nasty this way  I think.

Have to see how much influence of these groups Iran actually has...

[lost]

Taking out Saddam and a Sunni minority governing a Shii majority is looking more stupid by the day.

[steviewevie]

thread from more in common bloke about impact Israel-Palestine conflict is having on polls (not much)..

 

[steviewevie]

This Luke Tryl bloke, along with many others, also argues that Labour dropping the 28bn pledge could backfire, makes them look more and more indecisive and without a plan....and it would appear Labour top brass are split on it.

I say stick with it ffs, fiscal prudence my arse, take the fight to the tories, invest.

[steviewevie]

 

[lost]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

I say stick with it ffs, fiscal prudence my arse, take the fight to the tories, invest.

They could still do it without the £28bn coming from borrowing. Add the cost to energy bills and pass it on directly to the consumer.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, lost said:

They could still do it without the £28bn coming from borrowing. Add the cost to energy bills and pass it on directly to the consumer.

yeah that will be a real vote winner

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

This Luke Tryl bloke, along with many others, also argues that Labour dropping the 28bn pledge could backfire, makes them look more and more indecisive and without a plan....and it would appear Labour top brass are split on it.

I say stick with it ffs, fiscal prudence my arse, take the fight to the tories, invest.

They are sticking with the plan and saying how much they invest depends on the state of the economy after the Tories have finished with it. All the end goal GB Energy, insulation, clean energy are still there; it’s just that they might not spend £28b.

Darren Jones summed it up really well yesterday. Stop falling for the Tories games. 

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, lost said:

They could still do it without the £28bn coming from borrowing. Add the cost to energy bills and pass it on directly to the consumer.

Sorry to burst your bubble but that won’t happen.

[lost]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

yeah that will be a real vote winner

People only want to bring down emissions if we leave it for our kids to pay for? Sounds about right.

[fred quimby]

19 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

. People aren't robots.

Yet

[steviewevie]

13 minutes ago, lost said:

People only want to bring down emissions if we leave it for our kids to pay for? Sounds about right.

err...well in theory it will lead to growth, which helps pay off that debt...Keynes or something...

I mean they could put up taxes now, a lot fairer then just sticking it on people's bills.

Edited February 3 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

Yet

and allegedly.

Thought this was all just some sim that is still running after humanity has been wiped out?

[lost]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

err...well in theory...it will lead to growth, which helps pay off that debt...Keynes or something...

 

Yes that was Liz Truss's plan .. lower taxes, more growth. Issue was the markets wouldn't tolarate the extra borrowing in the short term.

It will probably mean higher taxes or cuts (The IMF said we should look at axing the triple lock) The green levy on energy bills is one tax they might look at.

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

They are sticking with the plan and saying how much they invest depends on the state of the economy after the Tories have finished with it. All the end goal GB Energy, insulation, clean energy are still there; it’s just that they might not spend £28b.

Darren Jones summed it up really well yesterday. Stop falling for the Tories games. 

They are falling for Tories games by not committing to the pledge...instead of trying to defend it they just bin it.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, lost said:

Yes that was Liz Truss's plan .. lower taxes, more growth. Issue was the markets wouldn't tolarate the extra borrowing in the short term.

It will probably mean higher taxes or cuts (The IMF said we should look at axing the triple lock) The green levy on energy bills is one tax they might look at.

yes, could argue the Truss thing was also Keynsian...govt intervention to get growth, this time spending on tax cuts...problem is the international markets thought it was a bunch of shite and she was removed super quick.

Taxes will have to go up. I don't believe Labour or Tories won't put up taxes in next govt or one after. There's public services needing more cash no matter how much they talk about reform, there's all this green stuff, there's money needed for net zero, there's money needed to help in the rebuilding of a very f**ked Ukraine and Palestine..and negligible growth, high debt, high borrowing costs. Tax wealth.

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

They are falling for Tories games by not committing to the pledge...instead of trying to defend it they just bin it.

They are defending the policy, they do it every time those stories come out. It’s just the amount of funding they aren’t defending, which for some reason is the big issue for you. 

[steviewevie]

20 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

They are defending the policy, they do it every time those stories come out. It’s just the amount of funding they aren’t defending, which for some reason is the big issue for you. 

it's a very slow and painful u-turn.

[steviewevie]

this guy

 

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

this guy

 

people have been saying thats the strategy for an age! its just his right wing paranoia.

[steviewevie]

 

[Nobody Interesting]

20 hours ago, Skip997 said:

Wouldn't you?

No matter what he tries to look like on here, it's very clear what his actual politics are.

He'll also reply to this even though he knows I've got him on ignore.

Glad I'm not the only one who notices.

Also I find it rather off how I get warned for some posts by moderators but Neil, who is himself a moderator soon gets nasty with folks all the time.

I'll probably get warned for this post.

[Nobody Interesting]

55 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

this guy

 

Which is hilarious given that around 35% of tRumps support is from immigrants.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

it's a very slow and painful u-turn.

I mean it isn’t that’s the Tory media peddling lies. Labour have come time and time again to confirm their commitment to the policy.