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[Gilgamesh69]

" I'm a weak-minded w*nker " - Neil

Edited February 24, 2021 by Gilgamesh69
I got around it lmao

[Haan]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

Who knew that 'soft on drugs' doesn't go well with the public?

... so he has gone further right because he wants to poll well then?

[st dan]

8 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

If anything now is the time he should be acting as strong opposition, trying to give people hope that we can have something better than the Tories. But he's got no backbone and is flipflopping all over the place. Refer to that George Monbiot video I posted a few days ago, sums it up quite well

Oh you’re absolutely right, I’m just wondering if his plan is to go on the attack when the pandemic is more or less behind us.
I mean it must be, as his current stance surely cannot be the one he genuinely thinks can win an election. He’s a smart man as we all know, and I think he could be playing this sensibility and in a thought out tactful approach rather than leading with his heart and driven by pure emotion.

I think he deserves a chance to be viewed as a true opposition leader once every aspect of our days are not dominated by a pandemic. 

Edited February 24, 2021 by st dan

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, st dan said:

Would Starmer maybe lose some credibility trying to play politics too hard in the middle of a global pandemic? Is it insensitive to those who have lost loved ones? I think it could be, and we will see a shift in direction later in the year when the worst of this should be over. 

I think that is exactly why he's not been on the attack so much...focus groups have been telling him this. It's fucking off many labour activists as they see Johnson there for the taking. Have to see what happens after the pandemic, how bad the economy is and what choices Johnson and Sunak make. If tories do well in local elections then I expect chorus for him to go will grow louder...but who do you replace him with? Nandy? Dodds? Rayner? Reeves? Burgeon? Really think any of them would be doing any better?

[Haan]

Just now, st dan said:

I think he deserves a chance to be viewed as a true opposition leader once every aspect of our days are no dominated by a pandemic. 

Overall I agree with this but it will always be my firm belief that we should always be vocal in our criticism of him too

 

[Gilgamesh69]

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Edited February 24, 2021 by Gilgamesh69
Lmaoo

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Haan said:

... so he has gone further right because he wants to poll well then?

Yeah, it's shit...but that's where the public is...or at least the section of the public that labour needs to win. Tories probably more progressive on drugs than labour.

[Gilgamesh69]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Yeah, it's shit...but that's where the public is...or at least the section of the public that labour needs to win. Tories probably more progressive on drugs than labour.

Fuck the public. 

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, Haan said:

... so he has gone further right because he wants to poll well then?

It's merely about making the right noises,to make ordinary people feel they have nothing to fear from him.

Unlike the other guy, who aimed to incite fear in some while not reassuring the rest.

[Haan]

Just now, steviewevie said:

Yeah, it's shit...but that's where the public is...or at least the section of the public that labour needs to win. Tories probably more progressive on drugs than labour.

If he wins, cool. But I do wonder what it will take then to have an actual evidence based conversation on this then? If Labour are too afraid to even start the conversation how will we ever convince the electorate? I do hope he wins but I am also finding him very frustrating

 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Fuck the public. 

Nice slogan, could work well for them.

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Hey folks just so you know I never actually said this, Neil is just going on one again and has edited my post

Jeezus, lying pathetic c**t. 

And you think it's endearing.lol

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Haan said:

If he wins, cool. But I do wonder what it will take then to have an actual evidence based conversation on this then? If Labour are too afraid to even start the conversation how will we ever convince the electorate? I do hope he wins but I am also finding him very frustrating

 

yeah...I mean maybe he is willing to say stuff to get elected...and then will be super cool progressive leftie when he gets in power.

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Fuck the public. 

Winning election strategy right there

[Gilgamesh69]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Jeezus, lying pathetic c**t. 

And you think it's endearing.lol

Tbf I edited my post  seconds later once I realised what had actually happened, so I wasn't lying; just mistaken. 

 

Chill the fuck out dude

Edited February 24, 2021 by Gilgamesh69

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, Haan said:

If he wins, cool. But I do wonder what it will take then to have an actual evidence based conversation on this then? If Labour are too afraid to even start the conversation how will we ever convince the electorate? I do hope he wins but I am also finding him very frustrating

Maybe the electorate isn't ready to be convinced?

I've been hoping they would be for 40years but I'm not noticing much change over all that time.

A successful leader takes on the battles they can win and puts aside those they can't for another day.

I wonder why no one got back to me with my comment about civil partnerships? It's not just starmer who runs away from the awkward.

 

 

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Tbf I edited my post  seconds later once I realised what had actually happened, so I wasn't lying; just mistaken. 

 

Chill the fuck out dude

I'll call out the lying c**ts as lying c**ts, thanks.

[Gilgamesh69]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

I'll call out the lying c**ts as lying c**ts, thanks.

Except I'm not lying. You just rushed to reply, frothing at the mouth in rage, rather than waiting the few seconds it took for me to correct my post.  Look before you leap, as they say

[mattiloy]

I think its a pity Steve Rotherham went for the Liverpool Metro mayorship. He would’ve been a great pick for leader.

Dan Carden is decent too.

Liverpool generally is a productive spot for socialist types with the common touch- working class roots and a bit of charisma/relatability.

[squirrelarmy]

Is PMAQ’s back on today? If so I’ll pop out for a sandwich now so I don’t miss the start like normal. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Is PMAQ’s back on today? If so I’ll pop out for a sandwich now so I don’t miss the start like normal. 

Yeah it is. 

[squirrelarmy]

First question avoided. 😂🤦‍♂️

[squirrelarmy]

It’s a lively one today. 

[eFestivals]

46 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Except I'm not lying. You just rushed to reply, frothing at the mouth in rage, rather than waiting the few seconds it took for me to correct my post.  Look before you leap, as they say

you're still lying.

You edited your own post, and then made a lying post to claim I'd edited the post you'd edited. And you've now edited that.

[JoeyT]

Keir has lost this one. Poor performance today.