Victorious Festival 2023 Discussion

[sisco]

The reason some acts are cheaper is because they’re shared between the superstruct events.  A stand-alone act will cost a lot more 

[luckysalt]

4 hours ago, gfa said:

Theres no way Noel Gallagher is charging more than the Strokes. Noel Gallagher is already over in Europe so don't think this argument really stacks up too well - if they went by that logic they'd have done more than just Lytham festival this summer 

Bands DO go by this logic, the tour manager works with finances and puts together a tour throughout Europe so that it's financially viable. It's all about how long they're staying over for. Lytham was earlier in the summer it was a VERY small European window of one week which was after US dates and then before Australian and then more US dates. They did do more than Lytham, they did 4 shows in Europe in that one week. The Lytham booking happened because they were doing TRNSMT.

Now they're coming over next year for late summer, they're going to want to do as many European dates in that window they're over here next time. So yes in order to do shows they may lower their fee, because they will make it up on selling merch at a big event like Victorious. I'm not saying at all they're booked but things like this come into the planning all the time.

Noel is already here yes, he's also I believe the most expensive headliner Victorious have ever had. Certainly at that point the fee they paid, I don't believe it's been surpassed. He's far more known as an artist and instantly recognisable. Tell me the last hit single the Strokes had? Are they getting the same coverage Noel would get. You may like the Strokes, hey I like the Strokes, but don't get clouded that it's 2004/2005 still. It's not. They can't command fees they used to, so yes. Noel is absolutely more expensive to book than The Strokes. Because it's all about circumstance, Victorious aren't going to The Strokes and saying we will fly you over from the US and cover all those costs etc. Their tour manager is hitting up agencies and going we are going to be in Europe at this point what's available out there. Meanwhile, Noel is here his agent might look to get him booked or Victorious might approach him but he will vary his fee on the size of the event. 

[gfa]

1 hour ago, luckysalt said:

Bands DO go by this logic, the tour manager works with finances and puts together a tour throughout Europe so that it's financially viable. It's all about how long they're staying over for. Lytham was earlier in the summer it was a VERY small European window of one week which was after US dates and then before Australian and then more US dates. They did do more than Lytham, they did 4 shows in Europe in that one week. The Lytham booking happened because they were doing TRNSMT.

Now they're coming over next year for late summer, they're going to want to do as many European dates in that window they're over here next time. So yes in order to do shows they may lower their fee, because they will make it up on selling merch at a big event like Victorious. I'm not saying at all they're booked but things like this come into the planning all the time.

Noel is already here yes, he's also I believe the most expensive headliner Victorious have ever had. Certainly at that point the fee they paid, I don't believe it's been surpassed. He's far more known as an artist and instantly recognisable. Tell me the last hit single the Strokes had? Are they getting the same coverage Noel would get. You may like the Strokes, hey I like the Strokes, but don't get clouded that it's 2004/2005 still. It's not. They can't command fees they used to, so yes. Noel is absolutely more expensive to book than The Strokes. Because it's all about circumstance, Victorious aren't going to The Strokes and saying we will fly you over from the US and cover all those costs etc. Their tour manager is hitting up agencies and going we are going to be in Europe at this point what's available out there. Meanwhile, Noel is here his agent might look to get him booked or Victorious might approach him but he will vary his fee on the size of the event. 

Strokes did a sold out APE show in London for £80 a pop - Noel is doing 5k at crystal palace bowl...

I refuse to believe Noel is actively charging more than the Strokes. Seems unlikely Victorious would get them anyway to me

The Strokes new album was their most popular for over a decade, adults are talking was a huge tiktok song as well. Headlined TRNSMT, you won't see Noel doing that.

Edited November 17, 2022 by gfa

[Bubblepopelectric]

What about David Guetta? Fri night Castle headliner?

[luckysalt]

5 hours ago, Bubblepopelectric said:

What about David Guetta? Fri night Castle headliner?

He charges far too much to be a Castle headliner. 

[retrokev]

On 11/17/2022 at 10:36 AM, sisco said:

Sadly I’d say you’ve listed 5 possibly 6 headliners there.  Far far too strong.  My current thinking is:

Fatboy Slim

Kasabian

Noel Gallagher 

 

i would agree with this .atleast  noel and kasabian and pretty much fatboy.so that will leave headliners castle stage and subs main? think dmas will sub noel or kasabian and maybe wolf alice. castle is tricky one. dance act or solo female/male one day and indie band others still think 2 door will make an appearance and coral

[retrokev]

 

FRI- Fatboy Slim  common stage       The Coral  castle stage.

SAT- Noel common                              Wolf Alice.

SUN-Kasabian                                     Paloma Faith .Rita Ora or  2door Cinema Club.

SPECIAL GUESTS OPENING UP  Snow Patrol.  Travis. The Specials.

Edited November 18, 2022 by retrokev

[retrokev]

21 hours ago, retrokev said:

 

FRI- Fatboy Slim  common stage       The Coral  castle stage.

SAT- Noel common                              Wolf Alice.

SUN-Kasabian                                     Paloma Faith .Rita Ora or  2door Cinema Club.

SPECIAL GUESTS OPENING UP  Snow Patrol.  Travis. The Specials.

or even the vaccines opening.

[gfa]

On 11/18/2022 at 3:49 PM, retrokev said:

 

FRI- Fatboy Slim  common stage       The Coral  castle stage.

SAT- Noel common                              Wolf Alice.

SUN-Kasabian                                     Paloma Faith .Rita Ora or  2door Cinema Club.

SPECIAL GUESTS OPENING UP  Snow Patrol.  Travis. The Specials.

Formatting is messed up on my phone but if this is two door for castle they are too big

[retrokev]

1 hour ago, gfa said:

Formatting is messed up on my phone but if this is two door for castle they are too big

if you take 2 door out and its not female act ,then replace with snow patrol?

Edited November 20, 2022 by retrokev

[sisco]

1 hour ago, retrokev said:

if you take 2 door out and its not female act ,then replace with snow patrol?

Snow Patrol would headline Victorious (would like them too tbf).  No idea if they’re touring though.  

[retrokev]

see olly murs is playing margate series until 25th,so could play 26 27th victorious castle

[sisco]

2 hours ago, retrokev said:

see olly murs is playing margate series until 25th,so could play 26 27th victorious castle

He’s busy all weekend 

[atomised]

Mcfly for an afternoon special guest slot, they're at camper calling that weekend 

[sisco]

58 minutes ago, atomised said:

Mcfly for an afternoon special guest slot, they're at camper calling that weekend 

Yeah that makes a lot of sense 

[luckysalt]

3 hours ago, atomised said:

Mcfly for an afternoon special guest slot, they're at camper calling that weekend 

Good shout that, they love a pop act in the afternoon, I remember V booked McFly as second act on main stage around 2010? They were really decent tbh

[retrokev]

so with boardmasters announcing ,do we think any of for victorious?

 

[luckysalt]

2 minutes ago, retrokev said:

so with boardmasters announcing ,do we think any of for victorious?

 

Was just gunna say, I'd imagine Liam and Flo are out of the running for Victorious, don't think we have ever shared a headliner with Boardmasters, we sometimes share undercard, can't see any of that announced at Viccy tho and Example played this year.

[sisco]

8 minutes ago, retrokev said:

so with boardmasters announcing ,do we think any of for victorious?

 

I reckon Little Simz myself

[Jack01825]

Personally Hoping Kid Kapichi will be shared, great band and only from Hastings!

[atomised]

1 hour ago, Jack01825 said:

Personally Hoping Kid Kapichi will be shared, great band and only from Hastings!

I was thinking the same  mid-afternoon castle maybe 

[gfa]

Probably leaves chemical brothers nailed on

[sisco]

7 minutes ago, gfa said:

Probably leaves chemical brothers nailed on

They're playing IOW so… nope 

[gfa]

1 hour ago, sisco said:

They're playing IOW so… nope 

oh yep whoops 

[WhatADin]

I cannot for the life of me work out who we are going to have now.... with the financial side of everything I doubt we'll get any US acts (although I really wish we would). If Superstruct are booking LG, would Noel be like Nahhhhh? Kasabian still feels right. I think based on chatter from Glastonbury etc I I think the 1975 are a no/too big.

We don't really tend to share headliners with Boardmasters either, so that rules LG and Flo out (and I believe that LG is exclusive to Boardmasters as well?)

 

When do Truck etc tend to announce. I reckon we're only a couple of weeks from a first announcement though.