Download 2024

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

6 hours ago, strudd3rs said:

40,000 tickets threshold Download looks for to headline so I think they’d still headline. 

Where’s that come from? 
 

I can’t see the Prodigy being booked to headline Download again now. They didn’t even headline Parklife this year & their arena tour is only part sold out. They were also a last minute booking in 2012 when they did headline, because Van Halen dropped out. 

 

 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Frankly Mr Shankly

[LazyDavid]

On 10/12/2023 at 7:00 AM, Andre91 said:

That means absolutely nothing. 

Yeah looking back at it you're right 😄 Just saw a tonne of names and got unnecessarily excited just because of the potential of not getting Rammstein and Maiden

 

New Creeper and Beartooth are both great, hope both appear somewhere next summer

Edited October 13, 2023 by LazyDavid

[BrutalLegend]

I thought the threshold Download looks for is 60,000 tickets sold

[northernangel]

2 hours ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

Where’s that come from? 
 

I can’t see the Prodigy being booked to headline Download again now. They didn’t even headline Parklife this year & their arena tour is only part sold out. They were also a last minute booking in 2012 when they did headline, because Van Halen dropped out. 

 

 

They might be in the ball park now of too small to headline but there is no where else they can go. If they clash main and second headliners again on some days, make thale second stage bigger then they could maybe get away with the but the second stage with the bar right behind at the top is such a bottleneck pain in the arse.

[Spiral_Low]

10 minutes ago, northernangel said:

They might be in the ball park now of too small to headline but there is no where else they can go. If they clash main and second headliners again on some days, make thale second stage bigger then they could maybe get away with the but the second stage with the bar right behind at the top is such a bottleneck pain in the arse.

I don't think they will clash main and second headliners again. For the bands at the top of the bill each day (when the volume is getting cranked up) there is actually quite a bit of noise clash and I think it's one of the main reasons why they started the whole thing of main and sub not clashing with second headliner.

 

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

16 minutes ago, northernangel said:

They might be in the ball park now of too small to headline but there is no where else they can go. If they clash main and second headliners again on some days, make thale second stage bigger then they could maybe get away with the but the second stage with the bar right behind at the top is such a bottleneck pain in the arse.

I agree with you that it’s a flawed lay out & the bottleneck is a pain. 
 

Even in 09 when Prodigy headlined the second stage & partially clashed with Slipknot the whole area was grid locked. The best slot for them (size wise) would be to sub the main stage. 

[strudd3rs]

6 hours ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

Where’s that come from? 
 

I can’t see the Prodigy being booked to headline Download again now. They didn’t even headline Parklife this year & their arena tour is only part sold out. They were also a last minute booking in 2012 when they did headline, because Van Halen dropped out. 

 

 

https://www.rocksins.com/2023/03/an-interview-with-download-festivals-kamran-haq-53872/
 

“Kam: Alter Bridge definitely have Download heritage for sure, and they are one of those bands that probably will step up. Our benchmark is a band being able to sell out two nights at The O2 arena back to back, in terms of ticket worth, to be able to headline Download. Obviously Metallica can do that, Slipknot, Bring Me as well.
RS: That’s really interesting to hear that, I don’t think I’ve heard it stated as clearly as that before, so that’s really good to hear.
Kam: Obviously it’s not set in stone specifically to that, but we need a band who is capable of selling that amount of tickets.”

1 night at the o2 is 20,000 so two nights is 40,000.

It makes sense when you see that A7X sold circa 47,000 tickets on their 3 date arena run before headlining

Edited October 13, 2023 by strudd3rs

[northernangel]

4 hours ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

I agree with you that it’s a flawed lay out & the bottleneck is a pain. 
 

Even in 09 when Prodigy headlined the second stage & partially clashed with Slipknot the whole area was grid locked. The best slot for them (size wise) would be to sub the main stage. 

I absolutely agree on size placing, but I feel unless it was directly before a main stage headliner given a little less than some of them get now it would be wasted. I think when C&S subbed Prodigy in 12 it was fine because they aren't relying on a light show as much but The Prodigy for me only just had it dark enough when headlining for them.

I think festival wise you'll see them hit Glastonbury and do the Kendalls/Y Not/Victorious run myself.

I think with Liam doing this stadium run, the like of Victorious with have Noel back and The Prodigy.

 

 

[northernangel]

4 hours ago, Spiral_Low said:

I don't think they will clash main and second headliners again. For the bands at the top of the bill each day (when the volume is getting cranked up) there is actually quite a bit of noise clash and I think it's one of the main reasons why they started the whole thing of main and sub not clashing with second headliner.

 

I agree with you but it just makes a headliner choice much more limited. I guess that also depends on what you want to see. For example if SOAD was a headliner and SUM 41 was a zippo headliner I was to see both. The same for say The Offspring and SOAD so it works in that way. 

[DaiB]

Im keeping faith with Rammstein,

I belive they have two sets (not uncommon for headline bands), current set up is too large but have the logistics expertise to adapt, private jet for the band and entourage.

Slipknot played Interlaken the night before DL23 so it can be done, I am a fan so really hoping. Jumped on this forum as I usually read/post (a little) in the DL forum, but picked up on the @notlee leak stuff from a Youtube vid so came here for a nose, 

Nice thread

The other thing from this forum I find interesting is the legal/time line stuff. Headliner legal/contracts were probably signed before the Rammstein Stadium Tour announcement? guessing for headliners, festival organisers are a year in advance, think it was the above account that thought sorting in Septemeber was late. 

Im not in the know, it could all be poppycock, just surmising but makes sense to me, most Headliner bands are of the size they can adapt do anything and have the clout to back up the legal stuff.

Fingers crossed for lost of flames hopefully some Nu Metal as well

 

[Spiral_Low]

1 hour ago, DaiB said:

Im keeping faith with Rammstein,

I belive they have two sets (not uncommon for headline bands), current set up is too large but have the logistics expertise to adapt, private jet for the band and entourage.

Slipknot played Interlaken the night before DL23 so it can be done, I am a fan so really hoping. Jumped on this forum as I usually read/post (a little) in the DL forum, but picked up on the @notlee leak stuff from a Youtube vid so came here for a nose, 

Nice thread

The other thing from this forum I find interesting is the legal/time line stuff. Headliner legal/contracts were probably signed before the Rammstein Stadium Tour announcement? guessing for headliners, festival organisers are a year in advance, think it was the above account that thought sorting in Septemeber was late. 

Im not in the know, it could all be poppycock, just surmising but makes sense to me, most Headliner bands are of the size they can adapt do anything and have the clout to back up the legal stuff.

Fingers crossed for lost of flames hopefully some Nu Metal as well

 

I would be surprised if they did Download. However as I mentioned earlier in this thread, their dates do match up nicely with several festivals. Also this tour is significantly smaller than last 2 years so feels like either they are gonna announce more stadium dates or do festivals too. 

[Marka23]

19 hours ago, foolee said:

Iron Maiden

Bruce announcing a solo show for Mystic Festival the week before Download lessens the likelihood of them being at Download coupled with the video they released recently only referencing Australia, New Zealand and Japan so they may be skipping Europe and come back in '25 for a 50th anniversary tour 

[Marka23]

1 hour ago, DaiB said:

Im keeping faith with Rammstein,

I belive they have two sets (not uncommon for headline bands), current set up is too large but have the logistics expertise to adapt, private jet for the band and entourage.

Slipknot played Interlaken the night before DL23 so it can be done, I am a fan so really hoping. Jumped on this forum as I usually read/post (a little) in the DL forum, but picked up on the @notlee leak stuff from a Youtube vid so came here for a nose, 

Nice thread

The other thing from this forum I find interesting is the legal/time line stuff. Headliner legal/contracts were probably signed before the Rammstein Stadium Tour announcement? guessing for headliners, festival organisers are a year in advance, think it was the above account that thought sorting in Septemeber was late. 

Im not in the know, it could all be poppycock, just surmising but makes sense to me, most Headliner bands are of the size they can adapt do anything and have the clout to back up the legal stuff.

Fingers crossed for lost of flames hopefully some Nu Metal as well

 

The tour dates coupled with the fact it's specifically a stadium tour completely rules Rammstein out.

[Spiral_Low]

50 minutes ago, Marka23 said:

The tour dates coupled with the fact it's specifically a stadium tour completely rules Rammstein out.

Not completely, as I've pointed out above. Don't get me wrong, I would be very surprised if they do play, but the tour dates clearly leave scope for further dates and if they were gonna do fests in between the stadium shows it would look like alot like it does now. 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Spiral_Low

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

4 hours ago, strudd3rs said:

https://www.rocksins.com/2023/03/an-interview-with-download-festivals-kamran-haq-53872/
 

“Kam: Alter Bridge definitely have Download heritage for sure, and they are one of those bands that probably will step up. Our benchmark is a band being able to sell out two nights at The O2 arena back to back, in terms of ticket worth, to be able to headline Download. Obviously Metallica can do that, Slipknot, Bring Me as well.
RS: That’s really interesting to hear that, I don’t think I’ve heard it stated as clearly as that before, so that’s really good to hear.
Kam: Obviously it’s not set in stone specifically to that, but we need a band who is capable of selling that amount of tickets.”

1 night at the o2 is 20,000 so two nights is 40,000.

It makes sense when you see that A7X sold circa 47,000 tickets on their 3 date arena run before headlining

Hmm ok, but I’d argue the point he was making was being popular enough to sell out 2 nights at the 02 back to back, rather than shifting 40k tickets on an entire tour combined. 
 

The Prodigy aren’t doing the 02, they’re doing Alexander Palace for 2 nights, which is the equivalent of 1 night at the 02. 

 

[SweetJesus]

Zack is back on stage

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyU2jT4rAu6/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

[Marka23]

1 hour ago, Spiral_Low said:

Not completely, as I've pointed out above. Don't get me wrong, I would be very surprised if they do play, but the tour dates clearly leave scope for further dates and if they were gonna do fests in between the stadium shows it would look like alot like it does now. 

It's specifically called a stadium tour because that's all they're going to be playing, they're not playing any festivals this year. 

The large gaps are there because it takes a while to transport the stage from venue to venue. If there are any further dates being added (which could happen) it will just be more stadium shows. 

Aside from two dates in Germany at the same venue they have no back to back shows on the tour in different countries and they're in France right in the middle of Download. 

[Spiral_Low]

39 minutes ago, SweetJesus said:

Zack is back on stage

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyU2jT4rAu6/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

Fantastic news. Would be a brilliant headliner. A7X, RATM and SOAD? 

[Spiral_Low]

6 minutes ago, Marka23 said:

It's specifically called a stadium tour because that's all they're going to be playing, they're not playing any festivals this year. 

The large gaps are there because it takes a while to transport the stage from venue to venue. If there are any further dates being added (which could happen) it will just be more stadium shows. 

Aside from two dates in Germany at the same venue they have no back to back shows on the tour in different countries and they're in France right in the middle of Download. 

Look I'm not saying your wrong, but don't get caught up on the language too much. If they wanted to do festivals separately they would have a different set up for it and that would be set up whilst stadium shows are happening. As I pointed out, it's theoretically possible for them to do Greenfield or Nova Rock, Download, Graspop, Copenhell, Hellfest, Pinkpop and Wacken. I don't think they will but not a 100% ruled out yet. Their dates actually do line up for all of those in terms on being close flights wise. And some of the gaps are actually huge so there are clearly gonna be more dates. 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Spiral_Low

[Marka23]

2 hours ago, Spiral_Low said:

Look I'm not saying your wrong, but don't get caught up on the language too much. If they wanted to do festivals separately they would have a different set up for it and that would be set up whilst stadium shows are happening. As I pointed out, it's theoretically possible for them to do Greenfield or Nova Rock, Download, Graspop, Copenhell, Hellfest, Pinkpop and Wacken. I don't think they will but not a 100% ruled out yet. Their dates actually do line up for all of those in terms on being close flights wise. And some of the gaps are actually huge so there are clearly gonna be more dates. 

With Rammstein if they say a tour is for a specific type of venue they stick to it. For the past few stadium tours they've only played stadiums and in 2016/17 when they did a festival tour they only played festivals. 

When they did the Made In Germany tour as the tour name didn't have a specific venue in the name they did a mixture of arenas and festivals. 

Basically purely based on their tour history it's very unlikely they're doing festivals next year 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Marka23

[Spiral_Low]

12 hours ago, Marka23 said:

With Rammstein if they say a tour is for a specific type of venue they stick to it. For the past few stadium tours they've only played stadiums and in 2016/17 when they did a festival tour they only played festivals. 

When they did the Made In Germany tour as the tour name didn't have a specific venue in the name they did a mixture of arenas and festivals. 

Basically purely based on their tour history it's very unlikely they're doing festivals next year 

Not true. Did a handful of their own dates alongside festivals in 2016 and 2017. 

Like I said, I don't think they will do festivals but I wouldn't say 100% ruled out given the huge gaps in their schedule compared to this year and last year. More likely they add more stadium dates. 

[northernangel]

1 hour ago, Spiral_Low said:

Not true. Did a handful of their own dates alongside festivals in 2016 and 2017. 

Like I said, I don't think they will do festivals but I wouldn't say 100% ruled out given the huge gaps in their schedule compared to this year and last year. More likely they add more stadium dates. 

I think what is being said though, if it is a mixed tour of venues they don't deny or shy away from that. 

If it's arenas they stick, stadiums they stick, mixed likewise. They probably get paid too much to not go by the agreement. Someone apparently in the know or at least a few on here believe so have said no Rammstein due to that agreement for festivals this year and suggesting things have changed for Maiden. In fairness Maiden are just returning 2 years later on the same tour virtually, probably got given an offer that is better for them closer to another gig or elsewhere etc.

The funny thing is, I don't really like Rammstein but had say Rammstein, Maiden and SOAD been booked I'd probably be tempted.

[Spiral_Low]

1 hour ago, northernangel said:

I think what is being said though, if it is a mixed tour of venues they don't deny or shy away from that. 

If it's arenas they stick, stadiums they stick, mixed likewise. They probably get paid too much to not go by the agreement. Someone apparently in the know or at least a few on here believe so have said no Rammstein due to that agreement for festivals this year and suggesting things have changed for Maiden. In fairness Maiden are just returning 2 years later on the same tour virtually, probably got given an offer that is better for them closer to another gig or elsewhere etc.

The funny thing is, I don't really like Rammstein but had say Rammstein, Maiden and SOAD been booked I'd probably be tempted.

Said where? I don't have faith in the 'in the know' claims anymore. Someone on Reddit looks like they are trying to pass themselves off as Lee and has said Aerosmith despite the fact Steven Tyler has seriously injured his vocal cords. 

Anyway I've said repeatedly I don't think Rammstein will play. 

[Marka23]

43 minutes ago, Spiral_Low said:

Said where? I don't have faith in the 'in the know' claims anymore. Someone on Reddit looks like they are trying to pass themselves off as Lee and has said Aerosmith despite the fact Steven Tyler has seriously injured his vocal cords. 

Anyway I've said repeatedly I don't think Rammstein will play. 

There's definitely no chance of Aerosmith given they've cancelled their entire tour because of his vocal issues.

Not sure why they'd be trying to pass themselves off as Lee with something easily debunkable

[Spiral_Low]

27 minutes ago, Marka23 said:

There's definitely no chance of Aerosmith given they've cancelled their entire tour because of his vocal issues.

Not sure why they'd be trying to pass themselves off as Lee with something easily debunkable

Well their username is Serious_Lee90 but the way they responded to a couple threads made out like they had knowledge, but yeah saying Aerosmith shows they clearly don't. I don't post on Reddit just read the threads occasionally and spotted that yesterday.