The Future of Glastonbury

[gfa]

Glamping wise also it feels to me it just about sells out, the tents sit on the site for a good while its not like the general sale. it will increase slowly year by year as the demand for 25% to be glamping just isn't there yet

[dotdash79]

If you look at the north part of the site most of the marked camping, is out of bounds of normal punters. 

If you arrive at gate A, B or C then the camping options are already quite slim.

[Neil]

22 hours ago, GrumpyRaver said:

how white and middle class it was…

always has been, sadly.

[Nduja]

Given all the off site glamping options and all the already monetised space beyond the festival borders, it feels like the only opportunity to raise the camping capacity is to eat in to car parking space.

 

If they can do that, they can probably solve a number of present issues. Unlikely though.

[MEGABOWL]

42 minutes ago, Nduja said:

Given all the off site glamping options and all the already monetised space beyond the festival borders, it feels like the only opportunity to raise the camping capacity is to eat in to car parking space.

 

If they can do that, they can probably solve a number of present issues. Unlikely though.

Massively ramp up the Coach tickets

[Mike A]

33 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

Massively ramp up the Coach tickets

And assign the coach departure location as part of your registration so you can only pick one (or a small number).

That would avoid travelers going from London to Edinburgh to catch a coach.
And it would also allow the festival to plan an appropriate number of coaches based on how many people have registered to depart from each location.

[fraybentos1]

3 hours ago, Neil said:

always has been, sadly.

Says a white middle class person on a forum almost exclusively with white middle class members 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, fraybentos1 said:

Says a white middle class person on a forum almost exclusively with white middle class members 

Says a white middle class person  happy on a forum almost exclusively with white middle class members, and at a festival almost exclusively with white middle class members.

[clarkete]

Well this is a peculiar rabbit hole. 

[Brendan110_00]

On 6/29/2023 at 10:10 PM, gooner1990 said:

One year there was a tent next to us (camped nr Pyramid) that people who were staying in a campervan used as a storage tent as they couldn’t be bothered to take camping chairs and blankets back to their van with them at the end of the night. 

The kind of people that leave it dumped there too because they can't be arsed lugging it home.

[deepkittycaz]

On 6/29/2023 at 10:10 PM, gooner1990 said:

One year there was a tent next to us (camped nr Pyramid) that people who were staying in a campervan used as a storage tent as they couldn’t be bothered to take camping chairs and blankets back to their van with them at the end of the night. 

Wonder why they didn't use a lockup instead? Or would that have been too much effort as well?

[Neil]

32 minutes ago, Brendan110_00 said:

The kind of people that leave it dumped there too because they can't be arsed lugging it home.

possibly also because there wasn't room for it in their campervan, when they were using the beds.

[MEGABOWL]

11 hours ago, Mike A said:

And assign the coach departure location as part of your registration so you can only pick one (or a small number).

That would avoid travelers going from London to Edinburgh to catch a coach.
And it would also allow the festival to plan an appropriate number of coaches based on how many people have registered to depart from each location.

Could narrow it down to, say, 5. Would make the process easier come T-Day. Ultimately as long as people are travelling by public transport that’s the main thing though.
 

[ICGenie]

On 6/29/2023 at 11:03 PM, Suprefan said:

Michael gonna chase the white whales while he still can. Still the godfather in this case.

 

the thing is they treat it as if the festival needs to sell tickets instead of really doing whatever they want cause they sold it out in half an hour. Force the audiences' hand and take more risks. If people dont like it they can see something else obviously. You wont be able to make the punters more accepting of a forward thinking vision if you dont take some chances and plant more seeds for them to be fine with it.  Hell, on Sunday night the coverage for the acts not named Elton John had to try really hard not to show thin crowds. Why are they feeling sort of embarrassed by that. They booked a headliner that got 90% of the festival in one spot. 

I agree with this. I’m sure there’s a wonderful cachet that comes with the tickets being in huge demand, but I agree Glastonbury should be pushing the boundaries more, especially on headliners. Let’s face it, they could probably lose the interest of 80% of people who are registered and still sell out in a couple of hours.

[gfa]

More coaches is a good cashcow. They cost nowhere near as much as they charge, maybe around half the price they charge and people are very much willing to get on coaches to secure a ticket

(while people do pay for car parking when split the ticket is only like £15 each vs the profit from coaches)

more than anything, more people on coaches probably means more bar sales as people cannot just carry slabs upon slabs of beer into the farm

[clarkete]

3 minutes ago, gfa said:

More coaches is a good cashcow. They cost nowhere near as much as they charge, maybe around half the price they charge and people are very much willing to get on coaches to secure a ticket

1.  That's a bloody feeble cash cow 😉

2.  What are you including in your estimation of the costs? 

I believe there are a lot of added costs which need to be incorporated. 

[dotdash79]

I drive but I would like to see the price of the car parks go up to around £100.

[robith]

19 hours ago, dotdash79 said:

If you look at the north part of the site most of the marked camping, is out of bounds of normal punters. 

If you arrive at gate A, B or C then the camping options are already quite slim.

I haven;t been since 2011 and thinking of making a return and quite sad seeing that all the places we used to camp are now completely off limits

[efcfanwirral]

38 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

I drive but I would like to see the price of the car parks go up to around £100.

For climate change reasons? 

Would need more trains to and from castle cary - it's too small. Takes ages to clear the shuttle bus queue on site, because the station has a certain capacity. Push it any later and it risks people queuing for hours and still not getting home on the Monday if its a longer journey up north. 

Edited July 1, 2023 by efcfanwirral

[Suprefan]

4 hours ago, gfa said:

More coaches is a good cashcow. They cost nowhere near as much as they charge, maybe around half the price they charge and people are very much willing to get on coaches to secure a ticket

(while people do pay for car parking when split the ticket is only like £15 each vs the profit from coaches)

more than anything, more people on coaches probably means more bar sales as people cannot just carry slabs upon slabs of beer into the farm

But they would never consider this type of thing cause it probably wouldve already happened. It also serves their own purpose which is to only bring in what you need and that rules always broken.
 

So based on everything how much do we think the ticket price goes up anyway. £25? 
 

and removing that row mead area def means they have to adjust somewhere else when it comes to camping right. 

[dotdash79]

30 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

For climate change reasons? 

Would need more trains to and from castle cary - it's too small. Takes ages to clear the shuttle bus queue on site, because the station has a certain capacity. Push it any later and it risks people queuing for hours and still not getting home on the Monday if its a longer journey up north. 

At the moment I drove down and back for around £55 of petrol and £55 for a parking pass, that was for 2 people. No way rail or coach can compete with that value, i would like to see the car parking passes subsidise the coach travel.

[MEGABOWL]

5 hours ago, ICGenie said:

I agree with this. I’m sure there’s a wonderful cachet that comes with the tickets being in huge demand, but I agree Glastonbury should be pushing the boundaries more, especially on headliners. Let’s face it, they could probably lose the interest of 80% of people who are registered and still sell out in a couple of hours.

As soon as they start taking that interest for granted they run the risk of serious trouble. They have a business model that works, to just start arrogantly messing with that because ‘we can do whatever we want and it will still sell out’ would be extremely ill-advised.

[robith]

39 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

As soon as they start taking that interest for granted they run the risk of serious trouble. They have a business model that works, to just start arrogantly messing with that because ‘we can do whatever we want and it will still sell out’ would be extremely ill-advised.

Not totally comparable, as it was a much smaller pool of people, but ATP thought they could get the same 5k people to go to four festivals a year. Worked out well for them and their creditors. Oh.

[gfa]

22 hours ago, clarkete said:

1.  That's a bloody feeble cash cow 😉

2.  What are you including in your estimation of the costs? 

I believe there are a lot of added costs which need to be incorporated. 

I can get a national express from london to swansea, a 5 hour journey for £9

There's no way it costs as much as they charge to run the coaches - places a similar distance away currently can cost up to £20 different for no apparent reason too.

Regardless - its more money than they'd be making from car parking surely? + good for environment, less traffic and all that jazz

[ProperTea]

On 6/30/2023 at 9:06 PM, gfa said:

Glamping wise also it feels to me it just about sells out, the tents sit on the site for a good while its not like the general sale. it will increase slowly year by year as the demand for 25% to be glamping just isn't there yet

I'm pretty sure if you add together everyone who camps in Worthy View (which itself is 10,000 capacity), Sticklinch, the Pop Up Hotel, Camp Kerala, Love Fields and the like, you are already very quickly heading towards 25% of the ticketed punters staying in pre erected accommodation as it is.