The Future of Glastonbury

[gooner1990]

18 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I just saw a description of road men above, and I'm well acquainted with them from the Neighbourhood/Kendal type events i go to, but what's a Fiat 500 girl??

https://thetab.com/uk/2018/01/17/21-bang-on-tweets-about-the-fiat-500-girl-the-nations-favourite-sweetheart-58187

and

https://www.themarketingblog.co.uk/2021/12/fiat-500-girl/

Edited April 21, 2023 by gooner1990

[gfa]

19 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

It could be argued that to truly move the festival forward that's the right thing for them to do - the same people end up going most years.

I agree but am just selfish 🙂

52 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

One of the issues, again IMO, was the increased amount of cocaine use.

I also noticed a relatively large number of what the youth call "road men" (or so I'm told). These are young men who were bucket hats and bum bags diagonally across their chests. Their thing seems to be based on having a generally bad attitude,

These aren't roadmen. Bucket hat and bum bag sounds more like indie festival attire than anything. If its a designer bumbag then yeah roadmen but tbh most roadmen wouldn't be seen dead at glastonbury, nor would they be able to get organised enough for tickets.

A lot of people on here will go about wearing a bumbag and/or bucket hat but it doesn't mean they are roadmen. Stems from stone roses manchester music etc indie rather than chavs

Just now, Neil said:

also see ketamine. 

People on ket are generally a bit out of it but not actively being dickheads like alcohol / coke. Far less of an issue

[gooner1990]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

I know people won't like this or necessarily agree, but IMO last year was one of the least friendly I've been to. *

 

* Waits for large number of down votes.

It was just before I started going so don't know for sure,  but a fair few friends of mine said 2000 was the most awful atmosphere they ever encountered

[gfa]

Fiat 500 girl is silly and honestly just a bit misogynistic.

I get what its describing but theres A - male versions and B - they aren't people causing issues in crowds one bit. Just a bit instagrammy take photos everywhere vibes which is far better than some cokeheads talking through an act

[gooner1990]

11 minutes ago, mph said:

This completely, and not only at Glastonbury, cocaine is creating vast amounts of idiots in every aspect of society/life in general

 

Its rampant at football now....went to see Arsenal away at West Ham on Sunday and most of the hold up getting into the ground was sniffer dogs at the turnstiles.

[gfa]

14 minutes ago, mph said:

This completely, and not only at Glastonbury, cocaine is creating vast amounts of idiots in every aspect of society/life in general

I don't get why this didn't happen years ago. People have less disposable income now than a few years back due to cost of living, covid etc. Coping mechanism maybe? i'm not sure - but it doesn't make sense to me why now

[The Nal]

32 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

Personally, I've noticed quite a change in the demographic since I started going in 2004.... there's now quite a lot of 'road men' and 'fiat 500 girls' there now...of course, they are all entitled to be there as much as I am, but it does change the 'vibe' somewhat I feel.

Theres been a massive change. In 04 all the stalls were still playing reggae and everyone was smoking weed. 

Last few festivals in particular I've seen a lot of people off their chops on bronson and then very messy in the SE corner late doors. Dribbling morons on ketamine. Looks like when they start running out of air in Total Recall.

 

 

Edited April 21, 2023 by The Nal

[gooner1990]

1 minute ago, gfa said:

I don't get why this didn't happen years ago. People have less disposable income now than a few years back due to cost of living, covid etc. Coping mechanism maybe? i'm not sure - but it doesn't make sense to me why now

Technology.

The dealers around my area all operate via whatsapp....you just text a number with your order and someone appears within 20 mins. All far too easy. 

[Skip997]

5 minutes ago, gfa said:

I don't get why this didn't happen years ago. People have less disposable income now than a few years back due to cost of living, covid etc. Coping mechanism maybe? i'm not sure - but it doesn't make sense to me why now

The market is being flooded with huge amounts of high quality relatively affordable cocaine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65337215

[gooner1990]

8 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Theres been a massive change. In 04 all the stalls were still playing reggae and everyone was smoking weed. 

Last few festivals in particular I've seen a lot of people off their chops on bronson and then very messy in the SE corner late doors. Dribbling morons on ketamine. Looks like when they start running out of air in Total Recall.

 

 

What are you dribbling on when you see them? 🙂 

[stuie]

Well this thread has gone a bit old men moaning about youngsters hasn’t it?! 

Not all lads with bags and bucket hats are twats… the same as not all old guys with grey hair are miserable bastards!

It’s absolutely vital that the festival attracts new recruits. If it doesn’t, it’s dead. 

 

[Memory Man]

At this point its cheaper to have a night out on class A’s than to have 6 x alcoholic drinks at £6 each

i dont blame the kids for getting on it to be honest.

i drink shit loads cos i come from a generation that went to indie clubs with £2.50 pints and £3 double and mixers. It was cheap to have a big night out on the booze. Not anymore.

Edited April 21, 2023 by Memory Man

[The Nal]

2 minutes ago, stuie said:

Well this thread has gone a bit old men moaning about youngsters hasn’t it?! 

Not really. When I was college age Id mates who would get paralytic drunk. Vomiting, barely conscious etc. Wasn't fun then either.

[Memory Man]

7 minutes ago, stuie said:

 

Not all lads with bags and bucket hats are twats… 

 

I beg to differ but each to their own 🤣 

both bucket hats and man bags are crimes against fashion and thats before you’ve met the knob wearing them

Edited April 21, 2023 by Memory Man

[4AssedMonkey]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

I know people won't like this or necessarily agree, but IMO last year was one of the least friendly I've been to. *

 

* Waits for large number of down votes.

I’d agree with that. Think I’ve only ever seen  one incident of aggression before at the festival which was clearly drug fuelled.  Last year there were many, largely in response to dickhead behaviour by young blokes.  The shirtless bum bag wearing w*nkers as described above.

[stuie]

4 minutes ago, Memory Man said:

I beg to differ but each to their own 🤣 

both bucket hats and man bags are crimes against fashion and thats before you’ve met the knob wearing them

Both functional items…. The hats stop sunburn and the bags stop people losing their possessions or having them stolen. But sure, everyone that uses them must be a nob! 

 

[efcfanwirral]

37 minutes ago, gfa said:

I don't get why this didn't happen years ago. People have less disposable income now than a few years back due to cost of living, covid etc. Coping mechanism maybe? i'm not sure - but it doesn't make sense to me why now

The three people I know who do or did coke regularly were high on bravado but actually highly insecure, generally very unhappy and struggle to cope with life in general. Which way round these things came is unclear

[dogeggs]

Jeez, I dream of wearing a bucket hat....the buggers are always too small to fit over my stupid cranium.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, gfa said:

I don't get why this didn't happen years ago. People have less disposable income now than a few years back due to cost of living, covid etc. Coping mechanism maybe? i'm not sure - but it doesn't make sense to me why now

It's much more available now because it's much more crap now.mostly speed and gak filler.

Edited April 21, 2023 by Neil

[gfa]

1 hour ago, gooner1990 said:

Technology.

The dealers around my area all operate via whatsapp....you just text a number with your order and someone appears within 20 mins. All far too easy. 

Been like this 10+ years now, seems to have skyrocketed recently.

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

The market is being flooded with huge amounts of high quality relatively affordable cocaine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65337215

Feel like you could always just get it off someone. Price hasn't changed either afaik, i guess its gone up far slower than inflation.

I read this article earlier and it says this has been happening for years too.

Post covid theres been a significant cultural shift

1 hour ago, Memory Man said:

At this point its cheaper to have a night out on class A’s than to have 6 x alcoholic drinks at £6 each

i dont blame the kids for getting on it to be honest.

i drink shit loads cos i come from a generation that went to indie clubs with £2.50 pints and £3 double and mixers. It was cheap to have a big night out on the booze. Not anymore.

Absolutely this. London prices are just ridiculous, its far cheaper even with coke. let alone cheaper substances

1 hour ago, Memory Man said:

I beg to differ but each to their own 🤣 

both bucket hats and man bags are crimes against fashion and thats before you’ve met the knob wearing them

ok grandad

Edited April 21, 2023 by gfa

[fred quimby]

2 hours ago, Skip997 said:

The market is being flooded with huge amounts of high quality relatively affordable cocaine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65337215

And the reporters name. Nick Beake 😄

[gooner1990]

Just now, fred quimby said:

And the reporters name. Nick Beake 😄

🤣

[moogster]

There was a survey this week in the Netherlands in which a depressing amount of young people said they'd do more drugs and eat less at festivals because it was cheaper that way...

[DeanoL]

6 hours ago, Memory Man said:

Artists playing for a lot less money in exchange for exposure

I think this is the biggest existential threat to the festival. How well Glasto's cultural cachet translates to social media is going to be a big part of it. Coachella has done it very well. Glasto can't rely on UK TV coverage by the BBC to make it into a country-wide "moment" any more though - because it's social media that drives that now, more so than TV.

Plus we have this shift to bands going from making money selling records, with live shows and festival meaning discover and more sales, to live shows being the primary money-maker for bands, and streaming helping sell tickets for gigs. So playing live "not for money" is much rarer. 

Glasto can still position itself as a unique opportunity in this space, but I think they'll increasingly come across acts that will flat out not consider that sort of show on principle. I mean, such bands have always existed and it's why we never saw Fleetwood Mac for example, but I think a lot of the big new acts coming up will have a similar approach.

[Cleetus]

2 hours ago, The Nal said:

Theres been a massive change. In 04 all the stalls were still playing reggae and everyone was smoking weed. 

Last few festivals in particular I've seen a lot of people off their chops on bronson and then very messy in the SE corner late doors. Dribbling morons on ketamine. Looks like when they start running out of air in Total Recall.

 

 

Hahaha! Good analogy. 

44 now. Hate being one of those guys that claim everything was better in "back in my day". Its probably pretty similar in most ways. Just camera phones being the main difference.