The Future of Glastonbury

[Jakeyboi135]

6 hours ago, ProperTea said:

Saw an article in the Guardian earlier on ticket scams and this sentence jumped out at me...

I think it's relevent in the context of this discussion: I think seeing bands live, going to festivals, is a something a much bigger number of people are interested in doing than compared to say 10 or 15 years ago. That itself has got to be on Glastonbury's side when it comes to future viability. 

The covid effect. Tell everyone they can't go out, go to festivals, go to gigs, and even if they never went, suddenly they'll want to. It's like when drinking went up during prohibition, it'll come back down to pre covid numbers in a couple of years

[Skip997]

5 hours ago, fred quimby said:

Get a feeling that would be packed out

I'd be trying to figure out who spiked me with LSD

[fred quimby]

I assume at some point they will have to set up charging points for electric cars, which will not be easy I doubt. Unless they try to ban cars altogether. I know it is a way off for some and batteries will better. I guess the will have to stress to have a charge that could get you to the nearest place on leaving

[Pipine]

There were some limited charging points by the farm last year.. but could definitely be an issue when more people get electric cars.. I wonder what the proportion of Glastonbury goers with electric cars is already.. 

[Avalon_Fields]

I guess I’m snookered, there’s not much prospect of electric mobile homes on the horizon to replace my old diesel one.

[incident]

4 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

I assume at some point they will have to set up charging points for electric cars, which will not be easy I doubt. Unless they try to ban cars altogether. I know it is a way off for some and batteries will better. I guess the will have to stress to have a charge that could get you to the nearest place on leaving

I don't see any likely scenario they end up offering electric car charging as a standard service. It'd cost so much to make available on any scale that at best it becomes an optional extra at an astronomical cost.

Other than that it'll be more along the lines of people having to manage their range themselves - just as the festival doesn't make any petrol pumps available to the public. Given modern electric cars can usually manage 150 miles minimum (and most of them do substantially more than that) I don't think that's an unrealistic expectation.

[ProperTea]

What does the resale selling out in 6 minutes say about demand for tickets (and this future viabiltiy)?

I think next year's general sale, after a second year of TikTok/Instagram Reels-buzz and potentially the highest rated BBC Glastonbury broadcast ever (Elton John), is going to be an absolute bloodbath.

Edited April 23, 2023 by ProperTea

[fullfathom5]

13 minutes ago, ProperTea said:

What does the resale selling out in 6 minutes say about demand for tickets (and this future viabiltiy)?

I think next year's general sale, after a second year of TikTok/Instagram Reels-buzz and potentially the highest rated BBC Glastonbury broadcast ever (Elton John), is going to be an absolute bloodbath.

We need it to rain this year to put people off.

[The Nal]

18 minutes ago, ProperTea said:

What does the resale selling out in 6 minutes say about demand for tickets (and this future viabiltiy)?

I think next year's general sale, after a second year of TikTok/Instagram Reels-buzz and potentially the highest rated BBC Glastonbury broadcast ever (Elton John), is going to be an absolute bloodbath.

Its a huge huge change.

The (lack of) success rate in efests this resale vs resale 22 tells its own story. Its just about who can get the most people trying for them now. 

Joe Speckled Hen has virtually no chance from now on. 

[incident]

28 minutes ago, ProperTea said:

What does the resale selling out in 6 minutes say about demand for tickets (and this future viabiltiy)?

Absolutely nothing.

The (re)sale time is mostly down to a combination of the amount of tickets available and the configuration and capability of the systems selling them, rather than demand.

If there was a million people trying for a hundred tickets it'd likely sell out in approximately the same amount of time as if there was a thousand people trying.

This applies to every sale that's taken place since 2003, with the exception of the 2008 festival and the main sales for 2009 and 2010 when the tickets didn't go in the initial rush.

The only way demand does sometimes impact sell out times is that higher demand can actually lead to slower sell out times if it causes the systems to choke - as has happened on occasion - however we can't rely on that as a metric or read anything into it as there's too many other factors (such as the introduction of SCA, and then this time the deferred payment).

[mazola]

45 minutes ago, ProperTea said:

What does the resale selling out in 6 minutes say about demand for tickets (and this future viabiltiy)?

I think next year's general sale, after a second year of TikTok/Instagram Reels-buzz and potentially the highest rated BBC Glastonbury broadcast ever (Elton John), is going to be an absolute bloodbath.

I'm hoping that the failed bank transactions in October played a big factor today. I remember reading quite a few comments on here about people who thought they had tickets secured after payment went through, but then the payment declined for some reason. And I think all of those managed to get their tickets honoured. It's possible that this meant that they oversubscribed the allocation and dipped in to future cancellations, so a big portion were already accounted for today. It was a big enough issue that they did away with payments at point of purchase altogether today, as they couldn't risk the same thing happening again. That's what I'm hoping anyway

Edited April 23, 2023 by mazola

[fred quimby]

1 hour ago, The Nal said:

Its a huge huge change.

The (lack of) success rate in efests this resale vs resale 22 tells its own story. Its just about who can get the most people trying for them now. 

Joe Speckled Hen has virtually no chance from now on. 

Did you have any luck today, if memory serves you were in the resale. 

[efcfanwirral]

3 hours ago, fred quimby said:

I assume at some point they will have to set up charging points for electric cars, which will not be easy I doubt. Unless they try to ban cars altogether. I know it is a way off for some and batteries will better. I guess the will have to stress to have a charge that could get you to the nearest place on leaving

We were stupid enough to run out of petrol on the way out the car park and had to get some from the AA stand (after joining of course). Not hugely different with electric, it's still your responsibility BUT what about if there are traffic issues getting in, where you end up moving slowly for many hours + Monday slowly crawling out?

Edited April 23, 2023 by efcfanwirral

[gfa]

On 4/21/2023 at 11:41 PM, homesick said:

A lot of people on here seem to have it in for youngsters taking illegal drugs, as if that's the contributing factor to trouble

 

I'd hazard a guess that across Glastonbury and society, alcohol results in far, far more altercations (even allowing for it being consumed far more than anything else)

Not sure what we're calling youngsters here but coke is used across all age groups and definitely does not peak with people around my age (21), due to cost above all else.

On 4/22/2023 at 3:15 PM, ProperTea said:

Saw an article in the Guardian earlier on ticket scams and this sentence jumped out at me...

I think it's relevent in the context of this discussion: I think seeing bands live, going to festivals, is a something a much bigger number of people are interested in doing than compared to say 10 or 15 years ago. That itself has got to be on Glastonbury's side when it comes to future viability. 

I think this article is more to do with the rise in presales, its looking at o2 priority. Presales are a far bigger % of tickets now than 5 years ago - with some shows literally selling out during the presale now etc.

rise in live gigs is definitely a thing of course

Edited April 23, 2023 by gfa

[The Nal]

16 hours ago, fred quimby said:

Did you have any luck today, if memory serves you were in the resale. 

I tried and no luck. As expected tbh. Not that fussed. None of our usual crew - Wooderson, Mardy - tried for tickets this year. 

[ProperTea]

4 minutes ago, The Nal said:

I tried and no luck. As expected tbh. Not that fussed. None of our usual crew - Wooderson, Mardy - tried for tickets this year. 

I'm the same - first time in 16 years I've not got tickets. We had 40 people trying across both sales and not a single person got a ticket.

[The Nal]

2 minutes ago, ProperTea said:

I'm the same - first time in 16 years I've not got tickets. We had 40 people trying across both sales and not a single person got a ticket.

First time since 2004 for me. Didn't bother in 2008 but been to every one apart from that. Good run! 

The party is over though. It'll just be the odd year here and there from now on with this new system. 

[Fred Zepplin]

On 4/19/2023 at 1:51 PM, Cleetus said:

Charging for kids tickets surely on the horizon.

This would massively change the dynamic of the festival. 

I don't think I could justify paying £1400 for my family to go to the festival, wife and 3 and 5 year olds and I'm sure there would be a lot of other families in the same boat.

[Fred Zepplin]

Just now, The Nal said:

First time since 2004 for me. Didn't bother in 2008 but been to every one apart from that. Good run! 

The party is over though. It'll just be the odd year here and there from now on with this new system. 

I think that is going to be the way going forward isn't it. Make the most of it while you're there since you won't know when you will be back again.

[sedra]

9 minutes ago, The Nal said:

First time since 2004 for me. Didn't bother in 2008 but been to every one apart from that. Good run! 

The party is over though. It'll just be the odd year here and there from now on with this new system. 

Same for me since 1995 managed to get tickets apart from the ticket nightmare of 2004 ( dial up internet and telephone ) and 2008 when tickets were freely available but I was out of the country. This year’s failure hurt in October as we had the tickets but the payment failed. No luck in the re-sale either. I’m pretty philosophical about it as just having had hip replacement I wasn’t totally committed but my niece who has never not got tickets is devastated so I think will opt to try volunteering /working in future. 
 

[Cleetus]

13 minutes ago, Fred Zepplin said:

This would massively change the dynamic of the festival. 

I don't think I could justify paying £1400 for my family to go to the festival, wife and 3 and 5 year olds and I'm sure there would be a lot of other families in the same boat.

Not full price. Like £50 or something to begin with. Gives them scope to increase it in future years when people get used to the idea. Within a year or 2 its normal.

I'm not saying I agree with it, just seems like a big obvious revenue stream sitting right there waiting.

 

 

 

[BBC7BBCHEAVEN]

39 minutes ago, Cleetus said:

Not full price. Like £50 or something to begin with. Gives them scope to increase it in future years when people get used to the idea. Within a year or 2 its normal.

I'm not saying I agree with it, just seems like a big obvious revenue stream sitting right there waiting.

 

 

 

Biggest fear with this is does it count as your allocated six tickets?

Wouldn't be worth trying if every family group needed to get through 

 

[DeanoL]

17 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

We were stupid enough to run out of petrol on the way out the car park and had to get some from the AA stand (after joining of course). Not hugely different with electric, it's still your responsibility BUT what about if there are traffic issues getting in, where you end up moving slowly for many hours + Monday slowly crawling out?

The festival do a good job at communicating stuff like that. The one year where it was miserable even into Wednesday afternoon, they were actively telling people to stay home and not to head in as there were hours of queues on the roads. People would just have to actually listen to that. 2 hour plus queues don't form suddenly.

[dondo]

22 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

We were stupid enough to run out of petrol on the way out the car park and had to get some from the AA stand (after joining of course). Not hugely different with electric, it's still your responsibility BUT what about if there are traffic issues getting in, where you end up moving slowly for many hours + Monday slowly crawling out?

My wife went down to Cornwall at Easter and there was a few traffic jams on the journey and she said that whilst idling in traffic the charge percentage didn't really drop in the same way your fuel gauge would with petrol/diesel 

[clarkete]

1 hour ago, dondo said:

My wife went down to Cornwall at Easter and there was a few traffic jams on the journey and she said that whilst idling in traffic the charge percentage didn't really drop in the same way your fuel gauge would with petrol/diesel 

Makes sense, if it's stationary presumably the engine isn't using juice.