2024 Ticket Price & Sale Date Announced

[Lycra]

1 hour ago, Crazyfool01 said:

only in terms of availability of drivers and coaches I presume ? im sure I read that that they intend to increase these in the long term ? 

There will always be a finite capacity coach companies can provide. No business can increase availability based on Glasto alone as they can't afford coaches and drivers to be sat idle waiting for the festival to come along.

[Ayrshire Chris]

7 minutes ago, Lycra said:

There will always be a finite capacity coach companies can provide. No business can increase availability based on Glasto alone as they can't afford coaches and drivers to be sat idle waiting for the festival to come along.

Yes, booking coaches for any event in June is difficult. We always had trouble getting coaches for school trips. 

[Old_Johno]

6 hours ago, Lycra said:

The carrot and stick approach to car v coach penalises a great many people who cannot travel by coach due to lack of services. There is a limit to how many coaches can be run.

There’s numerous people in here pointing out that the coaches are double or triple the cost of driving with a full car because the coaches are so expensive. Parking permits could be £100+ and people would still pay it. 
 

Seeing as transport of punters is the biggest source of emissions if they can’t get more coaches they can pay for carbon capture somewhere else.  

[Lycra]

38 minutes ago, Old_Johno said:

There’s numerous people in here pointing out that the coaches are double or triple the cost of driving with a full car because the coaches are so expensive. Parking permits could be £100+ and people would still pay it. 
 

Seeing as transport of punters is the biggest source of emissions if they can’t get more coaches they can pay for carbon capture somewhere else.  

It's too simplistic just comparing the cost of the individual journey of coach v car as the former will takes into account  the costs of buying, maintaining & operating the coach, whilst the later is just fuelling the car. For a true comparison the costs of buying, maintaining and operating the car need to be factored in. Applying this to our personal situation the cost of travel per person in 2024 would be ca. £105 compared to the advertised nearest coach cost of £73

If GF really wants to improve its green credentials it needs to reduce the volume of people flying to it. Flying being the biggest greenhouse gas emitter per passenger mile/km 

Edited October 1, 2023 by Lycra

[Old_Johno]

3 hours ago, Lycra said:

It's too simplistic just comparing the cost of the individual journey of coach v car as the former will takes into account  the costs of buying, maintaining & operating the coach, whilst the later is just fuelling the car. For a true comparison the costs of buying, maintaining and operating the car need to be factored in. Applying this to our personal situation the cost of travel per person in 2024 would be ca. £105 compared to the advertised nearest coach cost of £73

If GF really wants to improve its green credentials it needs to reduce the volume of people flying to it. Flying being the biggest greenhouse gas emitter per passenger mile/km 

Car hire place near me does car hire for £17 a day. So even paying for that, and fuel and parking pass it’s still £40 cheaper than getting the coach if you get 4 people in. 
 

Plus the whole cost of owning a car is irrelevant as this is a one off journey, you could use that argument if it was a regular commute and you were comparing it to a train season ticket, but the odds are one of a group of 4 will have a car they use anyway so everyone can just Chuck in a 10er for tyre wear if you wanna be that fussy. 

[Lycra]

10 hours ago, Old_Johno said:

Car hire place near me does car hire for £17 a day. So even paying for that, and fuel and parking pass it’s still £40 cheaper than getting the coach if you get 4 people in. 
 

Plus the whole cost of owning a car is irrelevant as this is a one off journey, you could use that argument if it was a regular commute and you were comparing it to a train season ticket, but the odds are one of a group of 4 will have a car they use anyway so everyone can just Chuck in a 10er for tyre wear if you wanna be that fussy. 

Yes a car can be hired for as little as £17/day but you'd only get 2 persons and their gear in it. For the 2 of us this low hire rate for the duration of the festival + parking + fuel would cost ca £35pp more than coach travel. 

Hired car v coach provides a simpler direct cost comparison, otherwise all the costs of car ownership need to be recognised to obtain a fair comparison on car v coach. Ignoring the latter by assuming someone in the group owns the car is as wrong as saying a passenger on the coach owns it. The coach purchase, maintenance and operation are all reflected in coach pricing and not to include this when calculating a car travel cost comparison is totally wrong.

Edited October 2, 2023 by Lycra

[stuie]

23 minutes ago, Lycra said:

Yes a car can be hired for as little as £17/day but you'd only get 2 persons and their gear in it. For the 2 of us this low hire rate for the duration of the festival + parking + fuel would cost ca £35pp more than coach travel. 

Hired car v coach provides a simpler direct cost comparison, otherwise all the costs of car ownership need to be recognised to obtain a fair comparison on car v coach. Ignoring the latter by assuming someone in the group owns the car is as wrong as saying a passenger on the coach owns it. The coach purchase, maintenance and operation are all reflected in coach pricing and not to include this when calculating a car travel cost comparison is totally wrong.

I think you are overthinking this... you don't have to buy a coach to get the coach.  To find out the true cost you'd have to know the cost of your coach, how many journeys your coach will do, how much your driver is paid, how much your coach costs to maintain.  It's all got a bit silly.

[Skip997]

On 9/30/2023 at 5:58 AM, Neil said:

i reckon campervans get stung because someone is thinking, if they can afford a campervan they can afford to pay a bit more.

Maybe....

but, not all camper vans cost 10's of thousands

[Lycra]

21 minutes ago, stuie said:

I think you are overthinking this... you don't have to buy a coach to get the coach.  To find out the true cost you'd have to know the cost of your coach, how many journeys your coach will do, how much your driver is paid, how much your coach costs to maintain.  It's all got a bit silly.

I did say you need to buy a coach. Suggest reread.

[ClementsMike]

On 9/30/2023 at 5:58 AM, Neil said:

i reckon campervans get stung because someone is thinking, if they can afford a campervan they can afford to pay a bit more.

Quite possibly.

No bonus for the campervanners that will take pretty much everything back home with them, unlike many many tent campers.

[stuie]

13 minutes ago, Lycra said:

I did say you need to buy a coach. Suggest reread.

Honestly, reading it once was enough.

To calculate the cost benefit of getting a coach vs taking your car you compare cost of coach ticket vs cost of fuel. Add on a tenner for wear and tear if you want to be petty about it. It’s that simple. 

[DeanoL]

14 hours ago, Lycra said:

It's too simplistic just comparing the cost of the individual journey of coach v car as the former will takes into account  the costs of buying, maintaining & operating the coach, whilst the later is just fuelling the car. For a true comparison the costs of buying, maintaining and operating the car need to be factored in. Applying this to our personal situation the cost of travel per person in 2024 would be ca. £105 compared to the advertised nearest coach cost of £73

 

So £73 is the cost from Stoke, which is 150 miles. 300 mile round trip. Let's say you're only getting 30 miles a gallon, you need 10 gallons of fuel, about £80. There's two of you so £105 per person is £210 so take off the fuel you're left with £130. Let's allow £30 for road tax and insurance. £100 left to "buy" the car

Average car does 200,000 miles, so your 300 mile trip is 0.15% of the cost of the car is £66k. So yeah, maybe if you're drive a BMW or something?

[DeanoL]

I suspect the campervan increase is a result of them going "how much could we get out of this field if we made it like Sticklinch/Worthy View instead?" and then it was re-done to that price.

[gazzared]

17 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Maybe....

but, not all camper vans cost 10's of thousands

Yep it's a complete load of bollocks . I  bought my campervan 5 years ago off a mate and it's nothing fancy and it's my main vehicle. I choose to have a campervan because I go camping alot with my dog. I can go away camping in this country 6/7 a year for a week each time and it still costs me less than going abroad just once. 

It'll be the vendors inside the festival that will suffer because people will have less to spend. I know I won't be buying any merch next year to counter the increase. 

Awaiting the responses to the £100 car park news (guessing 🤣)

[Lycra]

1 minute ago, DeanoL said:

So £73 is the cost from Stoke, which is 150 miles. 300 mile round trip. Let's say you're only getting 30 miles a gallon, you need 10 gallons of fuel, about £80. There's two of you so £105 per person is £210 so take off the fuel you're left with £130. Let's allow £30 for road tax and insurance. £100 left to "buy" the car

Average car does 200,000 miles, so your 300 mile trip is 0.15% of the cost of the car is £66k. So yeah, maybe if you're drive a BMW or something?

Now that really is a silly way of looking at it! Official figures suggest a car costs 47p/mile to run, but that's an average.

[Lycra]

5 minutes ago, stuie said:

Honestly, reading it once was enough.

To calculate the cost benefit of getting a coach vs taking your car you compare cost of coach ticket vs cost of fuel. Add on a tenner for wear and tear if you want to be petty about it. It’s that simple. 

Not really cos the coach fare is an amortised cost which considers everything from buying or leasing the coach, depreciation, maintenance, operating, driver pay and profit. Need do same for car. Current figures suggest cost of buying and operating a car is ca. £3000/a plus fuel. Seen a total cost of 47p per mile quoted.

[stuie]

7 minutes ago, Lycra said:

Not really cos the coach fare is an amortised cost which considers everything from buying or leasing the coach, depreciation, maintenance, operating, driver pay and profit. Need do same for car. Current figures suggest cost of buying and operating a car is ca. £3000/a plus fuel. Seen a total cost of 47p per mile quoted.

You don't need to do same for car, if you've already got a car that's insured and on the road - the starting point for the vast majority of people who are considering driving to a festival. 

 

 

[Lycra]

16 minutes ago, gazzared said:

Yep it's a complete load of bollocks . I  bought my campervan 5 years ago off a mate and it's nothing fancy and it's my main vehicle. I choose to have a campervan because I go camping alot with my dog. I can go away camping in this country 6/7 a year for a week each time and it still costs me less than going abroad just once. 

It'll be the vendors inside the festival that will suffer because people will have less to spend. I know I won't be buying any merch next year to counter the increase. 

Awaiting the responses to the £100 car park news (guessing 🤣)

It's shocking how much cv passes have risen. That said we don't know the operating costs and fees associated for providing cv parking. But as a thought, "how many cars at £60  = a cv parking space" ?

[DeanoL]

29 minutes ago, gazzared said:

Yep it's a complete load of bollocks . I  bought my campervan 5 years ago off a mate and it's nothing fancy and it's my main vehicle. I choose to have a campervan because I go camping alot with my dog. I can go away camping in this country 6/7 a year for a week each time and it still costs me less than going abroad just once. 

It'll be the vendors inside the festival that will suffer because people will have less to spend. I know I won't be buying any merch next year to counter the increase. 

Awaiting the responses to the £100 car park news (guessing 🤣)

The reality is you're no longer the target audience for the campervan fields. It used to be mostly folk like you, but as time has gone on it's become a glamping option instead. And the festival are leaving money on the table not pricing it that way. It's a shame, but I do think it's deliberate.

[gazzared]

8 minutes ago, Lycra said:

It's shocking how much cv passes have risen. That said we don't know the operating costs and fees associated for providing cv parking. But as a thought, "how many cars at £60  = a cv parking space" ?

I think one of the problems is that the CV fields are owned by other farmers so they'll just keep increasing and increasing the costs whilst the campervan field continues to sell out 

[DeanoL]

The problem with incentivising coach travel by upping the parking cost, is that coach travel is already really popular. While I agree some of the prices are eye-watering, bear in mind that for some people, the coach or train is the only real option, and there's a need to balance making it appealing to those who would otherwise drive, with ensuring those who don't still have access.

[Lycra]

8 minutes ago, stuie said:

You don't need to do same for car, if you've already got a car that's insured and on the road - the starting point for the vast majority of people who are considering driving to a festival. 

 

 

Yes you do. Unless you've bought a car, taxed/insured it and maintained it, you dont have one to drive to the festival. A car is still costing money every minute you own it, whether its being driven or not. All this cost has to be taken into consideration in every journey made. 

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, DeanoL said:

The reality is you're no longer the target audience for the campervan fields. It used to be mostly folk like you, but as time has gone on it's become a glamping option instead. And the festival are leaving money on the table not pricing it that way. It's a shame, but I do think it's deliberate.

There's been a deliberate move to replace the interesting self converted vans which have character with boring generic white motor homes for years. No idea why, but it's a massive shame.

I've not set foot in the camper van fields for about 20 years, but having seen pics they look like standard campsites somewhere on the south coast. Dull as....

[stuie]

1 minute ago, gazzared said:

I think one of the problems is that the CV fields are owned by other farmers so they'll just keep increasing and increasing the costs whilst the campervan field continues to sell out 

Half of the festival is on land owned by other farmers, but I don't think it's due to that.  The land will be on long term contracts over several years.  The festival have looked at where the can make some more money and landed on the CV fields.  £50 x 10,000 vans = £500,000.  An easy way to shore up the spreadsheets.

Incidentally, that would pay Arcadia's entire field budget in 2023 and leave £50K for CapEx on the spiders replacement, as an example. 

[incident]

12 hours ago, Old_Johno said:

Car hire place near me does car hire for £17 a day. So even paying for that, and fuel and parking pass it’s still £40 cheaper than getting the coach if you get 4 people in.

The Car Hire place will have some quite specific rules about what you can do with it. In particular - not taking it off road. Which you'll get away with most years, but you may have struggled to hide the evidence in 2016, 2011, 2007, etc.