Download 2025

[Andre91]

49 minutes ago, Audiorocker said:

Devil's advocate....which act from each of those 4 are you taking?

I'd go Metallica, Foo fighters, Limp Bizkit and Ghost

Oooh good question! I’d go: 

 

Bring Me The Horizon 

Paramore

Deftones 

Parkway Drive 

 

I would have picked SOAD but they’re notoriously hit and miss live whereas BMTH have one of the best live shows in heavy music. 

[NorthernSoul52]

I won't lie, BFMV getting the legacy bump would be amusing.

[Andre91]

28 minutes ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

I won't lie, BFMV getting the legacy bump would be amusing.

Matt Tuck will be stood there like that old lady from Titanic. 

[northernangel]

On 12/15/2024 at 5:42 PM, Andre91 said:

You’re talking as if (theoretically) LoG, KSE and Trivium would headline the same year. They wouldn’t. Chuck them in alongside other headliners in the future and it could work.

 

If you break it down into (loose) groups, the headliner pool can look pretty healthy going forward: 

 

Old reliables & returning acts: Metallica, Iron Maiden, Linkin Park, Slipknot, System Of A Down, Avenged Sevenfold, Bring Me The Horizon, Biffy Clyro, The Prodigy 

 

Bands Green Day have opened the door to: Blink-182, Paramore, Foo Fighters, Nickelback, Nine Inch Nails

 

Legacy bump ups: KoRn, Deftones, Limp Bizkit, Trivium, Bullet For My Valentine, Lamb of God, Killswitch Engage, Machine Head

 

New bump ups: Sleep Token, Ghost, Parkway Drive, Bad Omens, Spiritbox

 

They're very crude groupings but, in this hypothetical scenario, you can see how mixing acts from all of these groups could create fairly balanced headliner trios going forward into the next decade. 
 

Again, I’m not saying I 100% believe all of these acts will headline (especially LoG, Trivium etc.) but I am saying that, based off of the elevation of acts like KoRn and likely Bizkit and Deftones, I wouldn’t be too stunned if they eventually did. 

 

 

Just to be clear, I'm not talking as if all those would headline the same year. I would just make a point about any of those headlining full stop only happens if the festival had a huge downgrade, that's my opinion.

 

Also it's time to get The Prodigy out of the old, reliable and retuning, Download have had 3 years to get them, they are even having an act in as sub bumping over then who were booked to headline before from the get go. Biffy Clyro can join too.

 

Foo Fighters aren't going to headline Download and Green Day firstly don't open the door to them and secondly they didn't need anyone to open the door lol. Dave has played it, he know if he wants it or not. Green Day have also not opened the door to NIN or Nickelback, not even remotely a resemblance.

 

Your Legacy Bump Up section is just a bit silly. Suggesting at least one of those to get the bump up is the same as saying ADTR should have headlined Slam Dunk 10 years ago but they didn't so why would it be a good suggestion. KSE and LOG shouldn't be in any of these list. No big shows, no legacy, just returning 3rd down acts that get booked to top 20k events, not even 40k, let alone 60/70k. This is where we let what we would like overshadow what we should get and they should book. LOG did Wembley Arena once 1hr 15 minutes and a bunch of smaller academies, KSE not even that. 

 

Hypothetically speaking, but realistically too, any of those two much weaker bookings don't look good headliner bookings with any combinations of the strong one's in my opinion. That's not to say they are solid bookings elsewhere but not at the top. KSE shouldn't even get to sub.

[Andre91]

30 minutes ago, northernangel said:

 

Just to be clear, I'm not talking as if all those would headline the same year. I would just make a point about any of those headlining full stop only happens if the festival had a huge downgrade, that's my opinion.

 

Also it's time to get The Prodigy out of the old, reliable and retuning, Download have had 3 years to get them, they are even having an act in as sub bumping over then who were booked to headline before from the get go. Biffy Clyro can join too.

 

Foo Fighters aren't going to headline Download and Green Day firstly don't open the door to them and secondly they didn't need anyone to open the door lol. Dave has played it, he know if he wants it or not. Green Day have also not opened the door to NIN or Nickelback, not even remotely a resemblance.

 

Your Legacy Bump Up section is just a bit silly. Suggesting at least one of those to get the bump up is the same as saying ADTR should have headlined Slam Dunk 10 years ago but they didn't so why would it be a good suggestion. KSE and LOG shouldn't be in any of these list. No big shows, no legacy, just returning 3rd down acts that get booked to top 20k events, not even 40k, let alone 60/70k. This is where we let what we would like overshadow what we should get and they should book. LOG did Wembley Arena once 1hr 15 minutes and a bunch of smaller academies, KSE not even that. 

 

Hypothetically speaking, but realistically too, any of those two much weaker bookings don't look good headliner bookings with any combinations of the strong one's in my opinion. That's not to say they are solid bookings elsewhere but not at the top. KSE shouldn't even get to sub.

I disagree with you.

 

You’re really struggling to grasp that people were saying the exact same thing about KoRn and Deftones prior to this year. Neither band have done solo arena tours in an age and I doubt many people saw their explosion and elevation to headliner status coming. That could happen to other scenes as the years go on. 
 

Green Day is a booking that opens the door to other acts the festival has wanted for ages but never gotten. It will lead to more of the usually unattainable acts coming in, I’m certain. 
 

Edited 18 hours ago by Andre91

[northernangel]

15 hours ago, Andre91 said:

I disagree with you.

 

You’re really struggling to grasp that people were saying the exact same thing about KoRn and Deftones prior to this year. Neither band have done solo arena tours in an age and I doubt many people saw their explosion and elevation to headliner status coming. That could happen to other scenes as the years go on. 
 

Green Day is a booking that opens the door to other acts the festival has wanted for ages but never gotten. It will lead to more of the usually unattainable acts coming in, I’m certain. 
 

You're welcome to disagree with me, that's fine.

I'm not struggling to grasp anything, but I also don't need your forced opinion on me because I disagree with it like my opinion isn't forced on you and I accepted you can disagree. Korn and Deftones have subbed the festival before and Deftones were never talked about headlining this year or any year. Korn have at least been mentioned about getting the bump up before now which is where the difference is. Korn were at least involved in a multiple city joint arena tour and Deftones subbed it twice after Wembley Arena, Ally Pally and now Crystal Palace Bowl. Some of those others aren't doing that, they are a support act for someone doing those venues. Let's be clear though, no one said Korn are suitable, no one said they haven't worked their say up, no one said they couldn't put on a worthy show but then many bands on an undercard probably could. Many people accepted they deserve it while many others have said they are a weak headliner and just not big enough in scale and both views are probably correct. 

 

Paramore have been mentioned by Andy for so long now the whole thing of them having been future headliners just got boring just like anything else he mentioned like that or anything does. He is just generally full of rubbish.

 

Blink 182 were already going to play in 2005 before pulling out so they aren't a band that need anyone to let them in. If Download is going to change that much that some of them bands mentioned as future headline acts between 7-10 years ago happen then they were never a future option at that time as the festival wasn't even in plans for a different kind of direction at that time.

Edited 2 hours ago by northernangel