Download 2025

[RedJosh]

It is much easier for Download to curate a day for Green Day than it is for IOW. To IOW they are stadium rock band, to Download they are going to be seen more as a punk/pop-punk band. IOW isn't booking punk or pop-punk, but when they have booked punk in the past, it has been Sex Pistols, Iggy and the Stooges and The Stranglers. They aren't booking the likes of The Offspring, Jimmy Eat World, Neck Deep or The Story So Far on the undercard, which Download have done before and will again.

 

[northernangel]

45 minutes ago, callum97 said:

Give us a first announcement like this 

There is no way your getting Avril lower than that second line. She literally doesn't have to play this year really.

[chilltheory]

Thought id join in with fake posters

[NorthernSoul52]

We assuming the bill won't drop until Sleep Token wrap their tour, then? 

[callum97]

32 minutes ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

We assuming the bill won't drop until Sleep Token wrap their tour, then? 

Nov 12th announcement 

 

Sleep Token pretty much fully sold out so that’s not an issue. 

[NorthernSoul52]

9 hours ago, callum97 said:

Nov 12th announcement 

 

Sleep Token pretty much fully sold out so that’s not an issue. 

Fair enough. Know they're reportedly selling well.

[northernangel]

16 hours ago, chilltheory said:

Thought id join in with fake posters

I think if you move Falling in Reverse to sub that's a decent bet. Saturday ticket as the other days are terrible anyway. 

 

[NorthernSoul52]

Falling in Reverse seem to be a bizarrely big draw for a band whose best-charting album in the UK reached #29.

[northernangel]

1 hour ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Falling in Reverse seem to be a bizarrely big draw for a band whose best-charting album in the UK reached #29.

That's where Spotify etc comes in. With the tour they are doing they are either going to sub or not play and wait to headline.

 

[foolee]

1 hour ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Falling in Reverse seem to be a bizarrely big draw for a band whose best-charting album in the UK reached #29.

People don’t really buy albums anymore. You’ll usually see a massive artist like Foos or Taylor Swift and then anyone who does vinyl/outstore shows to sell records get charting but it’s not a very good metric for where to be placed at a festival. Spotify also isn’t a great metric because you don’t know the demographic, why someone is listening, do they know the artist they’re listening to? & do they go to the shows? I’d say your best bet for placing bands at festivals these days is size of shows and how many tickets they’ve sold/if they’ve sold out. 

[Andre91]

Falling In Reverse have sold a tonne of tickets so I’m expecting them to sub Main or headline Second at the very least. It is worth noting these are their first ever UK shows so that has obviously played a part but if they can keep these numbers up (or even exceed them) in future, they’re absolutely in the headliner conversation going forward. 

[northernangel]

16 minutes ago, foolee said:

People don’t really buy albums anymore. You’ll usually see a massive artist like Foos or Taylor Swift and then anyone who does vinyl/outstore shows to sell records get charting but it’s not a very good metric for where to be placed at a festival. Spotify also isn’t a great metric because you don’t know the demographic, why someone is listening, do they know the artist they’re listening to? & do they go to the shows? I’d say your best bet for placing bands at festivals these days is size of shows and how many tickets they’ve sold/if they’ve sold out. 

Yup. Even with Spotify I usually just look for a compilation of what I like more than anything and play a random mix.

[northernangel]

1 minute ago, Andre91 said:

Falling In Reverse have sold a tonne of tickets so I’m expecting them to sub Main or headline Second at the very least. It is worth noting these are their first ever UK shows so that has obviously played a part but if they can keep these numbers up (or even exceed them) in future, they’re absolutely in the headliner conversation going forward. 

For someone who predicts bands like you do, to even put them in second stage headline territory now is madness. Way above that.

[Andre91]

17 minutes ago, northernangel said:

For someone who predicts bands like you do, to even put them in second stage headline territory now is madness. Way above that.

Sure. 

[foolee]

1 hour ago, Andre91 said:

Falling In Reverse have sold a tonne of tickets so I’m expecting them to sub Main or headline Second at the very least. It is worth noting these are their first ever UK shows so that has obviously played a part but if they can keep these numbers up (or even exceed them) in future, they’re absolutely in the headliner conversation going forward. 

100% sub or second stage headliner agreed. 

[Andre91]

4 minutes ago, foolee said:

100% sub or second stage headliner agreed. 

They might want to bring a big production with them which is why I could see them headlining Second. 

[northernangel]

24 minutes ago, foolee said:

100% sub or second stage headliner agreed. 

They are two different levels. I don't think any second stage headliner, even The bigger one's from the anniversary year can do the tour they have and sell at the rate they have.

[Spiral_Low]

2 hours ago, northernangel said:

For someone who predicts bands like you do, to even put them in second stage headline territory now is madness. Way above that.

Bigger than Ghost, Evanescence, Placebo, Pantera, Machine Head? 🤔

[northernangel]

1 hour ago, Spiral_Low said:

Bigger than Ghost, Evanescence, Placebo, Pantera, Machine Head? 🤔

Sell more tickets than all. 

[foolee]

1 hour ago, northernangel said:

They are two different levels. I don't think any second stage headliner, even The bigger one's from the anniversary year can do the tour they have and sell at the rate they have.

Sometimes I think it’s about who is on main and if a band want to headline a stage though. Like Korn headlining main I could see FIR accepting the second stage but if they are offered sub for ST they might want to do it. 

[Andre91]

Bloodhound Gang are back and playing Rock AM Ring, apparently. 
 

GET THEM AT DL. 

Edited October 11 by Andre91

[DomDom1984]

Yeah, Falling in Reverse have sold a very impressive amount of tickets. Probably getting close to headliner levels. I went and checked because I was thinking "no way".

 

Cannot see any lower than sub, and they actually seem like a big sub to me.

 

 

[callum97]

10 minutes ago, DomDom1984 said:

Yeah, Falling in Reverse have sold a very impressive amount of tickets. Probably getting close to headliner levels. I went and checked because I was thinking "no way".

 

Cannot see any lower than sub, and they actually seem like a big sub to me.

 

 

Can see FiR and Bad Omens being two of the subs

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

12 hours ago, northernangel said:

For someone who predicts bands like you do, to even put them in second stage headline territory now is madness. Way above that.

It depends when they were booked though. If it was before they upscaled the tour headlining second would make sense. In the same way Ghost were booked for second before they had another huge boost in popularity. 

[Spiral_Low]

11 hours ago, northernangel said:

Sell more tickets than all. 

Because it's the first time they are playing the UK they have sold alot. Doesn't mean they have more fans overall...I mean bigger than Ghost c'mon can't take that seriously.