2025 R&L Festival

[Andre91]

3 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

I think Muse/Chappel Roan have a very Killers/Billie Eilish vibe 

 

Then Muse/Eminem was a combo just 7 years ago. 18 year olds then are still 25 and festival going age and will probably skip out because they're both acts from before they were born.

‘Can’t go and see that act, they’re form before I was born. Can’t possibly like them’ 

 

What?

[andyrhodes24]

2 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

‘Can’t go and see that act, they’re form before I was born. Can’t possibly like them’ 

 

What?

Have we forgotten that LG played this year? 😂 Tbf I got chatting to a couple who went to the original Knebworth but obviously the majority of the crowd will have been born post-90s.

 

One lad I saw had the Coffee and TV milk carton Blur tattoo which was the coolest thing I’d seen in ages. Maybe the crowd was a mixed bag.

[nathanh]

I loved that set from The Killers in 2023. Wasnt blown away by their booking and probably wouldnt see them at their own show but that festival set really blew me away. 

[Chad888]

12 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

‘Can’t go and see that act, they’re form before I was born. Can’t possibly like them’ 

 

What?

 

Again, your opinion comes from the place of a diehard music fan with a taste that covers a selection of genres across multiple generations of artists.

 

The majority at R&L are made up of:

 

- 17 year olds that wanted to get pissed in a tent, rather than do the Magaluf/Ibiza/Kavos/Malia/Zante thing.

 

- 18-24 year olds that want to relive that student night vibe, get dressed up, have a laugh with their mates pissed up, and listen to their favourite bands.

 

- The kids whose mates want to go to a festival, and they're all waiting to see which of their favourite acts are headlining where.

 

 

We are not those, we are not who drive ticket sales.

[Chad888]

23 minutes ago, andyrhodes24 said:

One lad I saw had the Coffee and TV milk carton Blur tattoo which was the coolest thing I’d seen in ages. 

 

I was reading a BBC article the other day, it was something stupid about how teenagers are ditching the vapes and all picking up cigarettes, and especially amongst young girls, smoking cigarettes is making a come back, and it's pushed by singers like Dua Lipa, Charli XCX, Lana Del Rey, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Addison Rae, Sabrina Carpenter, Chappel Roan.

 

Apparently we're going through a nostalgia resurgence right now, with the state of the world, a lot of teenagers are burying their heads in the "we just don't give a f*ck" 80s and 90s fashion, aesthetics, music, culture.

 

So I can see why younger lot are turning up with tattoos and enjoying the music of those earlier bands.

Edited Wednesday at 10:03 AM by Chad888

[OddRon]

26 minutes ago, tomarchbold said:

*You don't want

 

proper gramma please, there are teachers in the forum xoxo

Not sure why it says that I said that, I’ll take them if they still do Can you feel my heart!

[andyrhodes24]

25 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

 

I was reading a BBC article the other day, it was something stupid about how teenagers are ditching the vapes and all picking up cigarettes, and especially amongst young girls, smoking cigarettes is making a come back, and it's pushed by singers like Dua Lipa, Charli XCX, Lana Del Rey, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Addison Rae, Sabrina Carpenter, Chappel Roan.

 

Apparently we're going through a nostalgia resurgence right now, with the state of the world, a lot of teenagers are burying their heads in the "we just don't give a f*ck" 80s and 90s fashion, aesthetics, music, culture.

 

So I can see why younger lot are turning up with tattoos and enjoying the music of those earlier bands.

I couldn’t put an age on this lad, maybe 27-32 but there were a lot of younger people enjoying LG. A lot of oldies like me enjoying the space at the back, tried venturing closer to the front but couldn’t be arsed, it was rammed with kids.

[FeverDream]

33 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

- 18-24 year olds that want to relive that student night vibe, get dressed up, have a laugh with their mates pissed up, and listen to their favourite bands.

You are massively, and I mean MASSIVELY, underestimating how many 18-24 year olds that have favourite bands / artists that were formed before they were born OR released music during the early to mid 2000s when they were only toddlers / primary school age. I genuinely can’t believe you claim otherwise. Liam Gallagher, The Killers, Arctic Monkeys were rammed with that age group. 

[craigcharles420]

Errr, Blink and LG just headlined this year. I am sure age isn't a factor for Muse and Eminem. Both debuted in 1999, years after Blink and LG started up

Edited Wednesday at 10:53 AM by craigcharles420

[Chad888]

23 minutes ago, FeverDream said:

You are massively, and I mean MASSIVELY, underestimating how many 18-24 year olds that have favourite bands / artists that were formed before they were born OR released music during the early to mid 2000s when they were only toddlers / primary school age. I genuinely can’t believe you claim otherwise. Liam Gallagher, The Killers, Arctic Monkeys were rammed with that age group. 

 

Those songs are still rammed down our throats en masse at those ages, at every single student night. 

 

I think it takes it back to the conversation about new artists coming through. That 2005-12 period we really saw a great few acts come through that have stood the test of time, that aren't getting nudged out by new upcomers. Sam Fender is the only one I can think of.

 

Couple of tinnies round your mates house, back of the bus or piled in a taxi, sipping a 20cl neat vodka out your top pocket, quick couple pints in spoons, head over to popworld, revs, prysm, gatecrasher, propaganda. A night of sourz shots, vodka lemonades, bottles of Heineken, hugging your mates and belting our Mr Brightside, Mardy Bum, Chelsea Dagger, I Miss You, Sex is on Fire, I Predict a Riot, Don't Look Back in Anger, Champagne Supernova.

[NationClub]

15 minutes ago, craigcharles420 said:

Errr, Blink and LG just headlined this year. I am sure age isn't a factor for Muse and Eminem. Both debuted in 1999, years after Blink and LG started up

2017 made me a huge fan of Muse and would love to see Eminem again. Hoping for both

[craigcharles420]

3 minutes ago, NationClub said:

2017 made me a huge fan of Muse and would love to see Eminem again. Hoping for both

It was a massive lineup with Kasabian thrown in for good measure. Would be ecstatic for something like that in this day and age

[Chad888]

1 minute ago, NationClub said:

2017 made me a huge fan of Muse and would love to see Eminem again. Hoping for both

 

Went for Eminem. Kasabian was a throwback to my youth. Never heard a Muse song, always appeaed to be a sh*tty knockoff of Radiohead, Coldplay, Blur.

 

Missed Kasabian cause I got stuck in. Fatboy Slim moshpit for an hour and couldn't get out.

 

Hit a whitey, passed out and slept through Eminem.

 

Caught Muse and they absolutely sold me. Such a fan since.

[FeverDream]

8 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

 

Those songs are still rammed down our throats en masse at those ages, at every single student night. 

 

I think it takes it back to the conversation about new artists coming through. That 2005-12 period we really saw a great few acts come through that have stood the test of time, that aren't getting nudged out by new upcomers. Sam Fender is the only one I can think of.

 

Couple of tinnies round your mates house, back of the bus or piled in a taxi, sipping a 20cl neat vodka out your top pocket, quick couple pints in spoons, head over to popworld, revs, prysm, gatecrasher, propaganda. A night of sourz shots, vodka lemonades, bottles of Heineken, hugging your mates and belting our Mr Brightside, Mardy Bum, Chelsea Dagger, I Miss You, Sex is on Fire, I Predict a Riot, Don't Look Back in Anger, Champagne Supernova.

 

[tomarchbold]

2 hours ago, FeverDream said:

You are massively, and I mean MASSIVELY, underestimating how many 18-24 year olds that have favourite bands / artists that were formed before they were born OR released music during the early to mid 2000s when they were only toddlers / primary school age. I genuinely can’t believe you claim otherwise. Liam Gallagher, The Killers, Arctic Monkeys were rammed with that age group. 

completely agree man

 

im sick of this narrative suddenly that 18 - 24s just dont like music...they like a piss up. yes - there is this audience. but thats the vocal and annoying minority or its 16 year old leavers who think its cool and couple years later are embarrassed of themselves back then.

 

simple example. student club nights mid week, very rarely sell out. EVERY and i mean EVERY 2000's themed, emo themed, indie themed nights sell out unbelievably quickly. 

 

young people still enjoy music before they were born, makes no sense to me how this can be a narrative

 

one of my favourite songs is f**king rock the casbah by the clash and im bloody 19, come on man😂

[Andre91]

Big fan of the ciggies making a comeback. They just look so much cooler than vaping. 

[NorthernSoul52]

6 minutes ago, tomarchbold said:

one of my favourite songs is f**king rock the casbah by the clash and im bloody 19, come on man😂

 

Objection, your honour!

 

No nineteen-year-old uses the word "bloody" as their swear of choice in 2024!

 

[tomarchbold]

Just now, NorthernSoul52 said:

 

Objection, your honour!

 

No nineteen-year-old uses the word "bloody" as their swear of choice in 2024!

 

you got me

 

im 46 really

[tomarchbold]

Just now, Andre91 said:

Big fan of the ciggies making a comeback. They just look so much cooler than vaping. 

oh i completely agree

 

obviously not condoning anything...but it looks so badass on the right person icl😂

[charlierc]

3 hours ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Muse don't have a Mr. Brightside-esque crossover, I'd argue, though if we want a laugh, we could watch The Killers cover Starlight this morning.

 

 

Bless our lad Brandon - I think The Killers are a great live act, but much like Coldplay, their frontman's real power is in the way he can connect with a crowd rather than his vocal dexterity.

Muse don't even play this one in E standard - it's been half-step down since the Black Holes tour, which ironically is the tuning that Mr Brightside is in.

 

I admire the ambition and the gesture, given this was the day after Muse had to cancel their Lollapalooza gig due to a thunderstorm after only 3 songs, but it was perhaps not the place to go for it.

[Andre91]

4 minutes ago, tomarchbold said:

oh i completely agree

 

obviously not condoning anything...but it looks so badass on the right person icl😂

I am condoning

[tomarchbold]

Just now, Andre91 said:

I am condoning

consider it condoned.

[FeverDream]

40 minutes ago, tomarchbold said:

completely agree man

 

im sick of this narrative suddenly that 18 - 24s just dont like music...they like a piss up. yes - there is this audience. but thats the vocal and annoying minority or its 16 year old leavers who think its cool and couple years later are embarrassed of themselves back then.

 

simple example. student club nights mid week, very rarely sell out. EVERY and i mean EVERY 2000's themed, emo themed, indie themed nights sell out unbelievably quickly. 

 

young people still enjoy music before they were born, makes no sense to me how this can be a narrative

 

one of my favourite songs is f**king rock the casbah by the clash and im bloody 19, come on man😂

Hit the nail on the head there! The alternative nights and clubs in Newcastle are super popular and have survived the Covid aftermath. Some of the ‘normie’ clubs (for want of a better word) have either ceased to exist or rebranded etc.

 

I’m 24 so coming to the end of my time in Chad’s weird little 18 - 24 group, but the idea that if I was born one year earlier my music taste and general outlook on music would be completely different is laughable. 

[FeverDream]

43 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

Big fan of the ciggies making a comeback. They just look so much cooler than vaping. 

This, and the fact I’ genuinely rather be stood behind someone smoking cigs once every 15-30 mins at a festival than someone puffing on their tropical guava, melon and pineapple 1000 puff deluxe elf bar every 10 seconds. 

[gfa]

21 hours ago, tomarchbold said:

Friday:

Main Stage - Eminem // Chase & Status // Little Simz // The Vaccines // David Kushner // Soft Play

Chevron - Hedex // Nines // Joel Corry

Radio 1 - Inhaler // Pale Waves 

Festival Republic - Soft Play

 

Saturday:

Main Stage - Muse // Chappell Roan // Hozier // Blossoms // Knocked Loose // Cassyette 

Chevron - FISHER // Sammy Virji // Unknown T 

Radio 1 - Pink Pantheress // Sea Girls 

Festival Republic - Amyl & The Sniffers 

 

Sunday:

Main Stage - Post Malone // Central Cee // Don Toliver // Benson Boone // Bakar // Royal Otis

Chevron - Shy FX // Ben Hemsley // Kenya Grace

Radio 1 - Gigi Perez // Wunderhorse

Festival Republic - Frank Carter & The Sex Pistols

Could see Pinkpantheress being absolutely rammed there.

 

Never heard of Gigi Perez lol

 

21 hours ago, FeverDream said:

Possibly a controversial take here and I may be completely off the mark, but if we are talking about strictly rock music, as Chad mentioned, then I really can’t see many bands that have formed in the last decade having the same longevity and ability to consistently headline major festivals as those that were formed over a decade ago. I don’t think pop music will struggle as much. I can see Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter, take your pick, consistently headlining major festivals in 20 years. I just can’t think of any bands from the last decade that will do the same. Fontaines D.C. may well headline in 2 years, but will they in 20?

Very unconvinced by Sabrina Carpenter.

 

Fontaines are clearly not at the level of those 3 acts, they need more time to appropriately judge.

 

BMTH and The 1975 however definitely could be about in 20 years