2025 R&L Festival

[gfa]

The BMTH day has the standard undercard of the heavier day in recent years I'd argue.

 

Shikari as a well suited big support then a splattering of other names. Not really my area of expertise but i guess it lacks an older name?

[Chavmeisterdeluxe]

I think Papa Roach are destined for that day as they're doing August festivals 

[northernangel]

59 minutes ago, Chavmeisterdeluxe said:

I think Papa Roach are destined for that day as they're doing August festivals 

Would be a major disappointment to have Papa Roach that day but I guess I know people who would like it. The difference of them playing on the Chappell day would be me considering a day ticket

[Hart Attack]

Bring Me The Horizon

Charli XCX

Enter Shikari

Ashnikko

The Story So Far

Pale Waves

Bilmuri

Lambrini Girls

Origami Angel

[northernangel]

4 hours ago, Andre91 said:

Way more mainstream, isn’t she. Plus, I Prevail are dog sh*t and shouldn’t be as high at R&L as they are at DL. 

 

Doesn't really what what your view is on their quality, I Prevail would play higher than Ashnikko who subbed 3rd stage at Reading this year.

[Chad888]

Ticket sales going horrendously. A week on and we're still in initial release prices, nothing sold out, BMTH day hardly moving at all.

 

These are going to he dirt cheap to pick up come next year. I wonder if they'll do the 2023 desperation tactics of "convince 10 friends to come and we will give you a free ticket for next year".

 

I wonder if the poor sales are result of 6 to 3 headliners, 2nd stage headliners being displayed as big stage headliners, a poor undercard...

 

Or maybe people are just bored of spending all that money to get pissed in a wet and rainy field in middle England, and the rite of passage vibe is now your Ibiza holidays, Croatian festivals, and Instagram-able locations.

[CanWeRest]

The main fan base blew away at Leeds and are currently somewhere in the North York Moors trying to find their way back to civilization.

[Andre91]

25 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

Ticket sales going horrendously. A week on and we're still in initial release prices, nothing sold out, BMTH day hardly moving at all.

 

These are going to he dirt cheap to pick up come next year. I wonder if they'll do the 2023 desperation tactics of "convince 10 friends to come and we will give you a free ticket for next year".

 

I wonder if the poor sales are result of 6 to 3 headliners, 2nd stage headliners being displayed as big stage headliners, a poor undercard...

 

Or maybe people are just bored of spending all that money to get pissed in a wet and rainy field in middle England, and the rite of passage vibe is now your Ibiza holidays, Croatian festivals, and Instagram-able locations.

How do you know how sales are going, Chad? Genuinely question. What insight do you have to ticket sales that nobody else has?

[gfa]

Andre is right - how can you tell BMTH is barely moving vs the other two days!

 

Its all 1 tier price now i swear -  It doesn't say early bird £125 or tier 1 £125?

 

1 hour ago, Chad888 said:

Ticket sales going horrendously. A week on and we're still in initial release prices, nothing sold out, BMTH day hardly moving at all.

 

These are going to he dirt cheap to pick up come next year. I wonder if they'll do the 2023 desperation tactics of "convince 10 friends to come and we will give you a free ticket for next year".

 

I wonder if the poor sales are result of 6 to 3 headliners, 2nd stage headliners being displayed as big stage headliners, a poor undercard...

 

Or maybe people are just bored of spending all that money to get pissed in a wet and rainy field in middle England, and the rite of passage vibe is now your Ibiza holidays, Croatian festivals, and Instagram-able locations.

Ibiza for gcse / a level right of passage lol. I've heard it all - it is beyond expensive.

 

Most people I know did R&L or your Benidorms, Magaluf, Zante etc. Nobody goes to Ibiza aged 18 nowadays.

 

The croatian festivals are mostly dance festivals with an average age more late 20s i thought

[Andre91]

What 16 year old is going to Ibiza or Croatia 😂

 

The Chad being 50 plot thickens… 

Edited 20 hours ago by Andre91

[Andre91]

I’ve come to the conclusion that BMTH can’t open their set with YOUtopia. It would be a right damp squib of an opener. 

[wghennessy]

5 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

I’ve come to the conclusion that BMTH can’t open their set with YOUtopia. It would be a right damp squib of an opener. 

They'll open with Throne i think.

 

Alot of BMTH newer stuff has passed me by, just checked YOUtopia out, absolute tune haha

[Chad888]

2 hours ago, Andre91 said:

How do you know how sales are going, Chad? Genuinely question. What insight do you have to ticket sales that nobody else has?

 

I can't explain how it works as I don't understand the logistics, my wife's a marketing affiliates manager (I don't know what that means either).

 

One of her clients is a big supermarket that looked at introducing a mobile phone network to rival Tesco Mobile and she showed me before that you can look at the entire online marketing space and see how much different companies are spending on certain marketing campaigns, for reaching a certain audience, and how much ROI they are making in those campaigns.

 

I.e. I'm still interested in a festival but the lineup is meh, so asked her to do her magic and see how sales are going, whether they would introduce marketing campaigns to shift more tickets.

 

 

Bit of a jumbled sentence, I really don't know how it works.

 

Basically in the online space, whatever you advertise and market isn't private how much you spend, how much money you make - people like my wife analyse the data and develop marketing campaigns and advise clients to outbid on key words or avoid key words that other companies use.

[Chad888]

2 hours ago, gfa said:

Andre is right - how can you tell BMTH is barely moving vs the other two days!

 

Its all 1 tier price now i swear -  It doesn't say early bird £125 or tier 1 £125?

 

Ibiza for gcse / a level right of passage lol. I've heard it all - it is beyond expensive.

 

Most people I know did R&L or your Benidorms, Magaluf, Zante etc. Nobody goes to Ibiza aged 18 nowadays.

 

The croatian festivals are mostly dance festivals with an average age more late 20s i thought

 

I still class Ibiza in with those Greek parry islands tbh. I did Kavos at 16, Zante at 17 and that was pretty much the coming of age thing back then. 18 was Ibiza, and by the looks of it, 18 is still Ibiza and Magaluf, whilst people in their 20s are now Dubai.

[she bangs the drums]

3 hours ago, Chad888 said:

Ticket sales going horrendously. A week on and we're still in initial release prices, nothing sold out, BMTH day hardly moving at all.

 

These are going to he dirt cheap to pick up come next year. I wonder if they'll do the 2023 desperation tactics of "convince 10 friends to come and we will give you a free ticket for next year".

 

I wonder if the poor sales are result of 6 to 3 headliners, 2nd stage headliners being displayed as big stage headliners, a poor undercard...

 

Or maybe people are just bored of spending all that money to get pissed in a wet and rainy field in middle England, and the rite of passage vibe is now your Ibiza holidays, Croatian festivals, and Instagram-able locations.

I'm not surprised, I have spoken to about 40-50 people who usually attend between the ages of 21 and 50 and no one is going next year based on the line up and are looking at alternatives. 

 

A few of the young'uns in my office mentioned they are fans of Travis Scott and Chappell Roan, though none of them are willing to camp or travel to Wetherby from Manchester for one day.

 

 

[Andre91]

1 hour ago, Chad888 said:

 

I can't explain how it works as I don't understand the logistics, my wife's a marketing affiliates manager (I don't know what that means either).

 

One of her clients is a big supermarket that looked at introducing a mobile phone network to rival Tesco Mobile and she showed me before that you can look at the entire online marketing space and see how much different companies are spending on certain marketing campaigns, for reaching a certain audience, and how much ROI they are making in those campaigns.

 

I.e. I'm still interested in a festival but the lineup is meh, so asked her to do her magic and see how sales are going, whether they would introduce marketing campaigns to shift more tickets.

 

 

Bit of a jumbled sentence, I really don't know how it works.

 

Basically in the online space, whatever you advertise and market isn't private how much you spend, how much money you make - people like my wife analyse the data and develop marketing campaigns and advise clients to outbid on key words or avoid key words that other companies use.

That’s a lot of words to say you don’t know. 

[Chad888]

30 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

That’s a lot of words to say you don’t know. 

 

It doesn't say I don't know.

 

It says somebody that knows how marketing campaigns and ROI work has showed me the sales figures, but I don't understand how the magic trick they did works.

[Benj]

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Edited 17 hours ago by Benj

[Andre91]

MAIN: Hozier / Chappell Roan / Bloc Party / Soft Play / Wallows / Alessi Rose / Mannequin Pussy / ??? / ??? 

CHEVRON: AJ Tracey / Rudim3ntal

 

RADIO 1: The Kooks

 

FR: The Chats

 

 

 

MAIN: Bring Me The Horizon / Enter Shikari / Papa Roach / I Prevail / Conan Gray / Bilmuri / Lambrini Girls / EKKSTACY* / Bambie Thug*
 

CHEVRON: Becky Hill

 

RADIO 1: Wunderhorse

FR: Pale Waves 

 

 

 

MAIN: Travis Scott / Don Toliver* / Trippie Redd / Suki Waterhouse / Lancey Foux / Sea Girls / The Dare / ??? / ??? 
 

CHEVRON: Sammy Virji

 

RADIO 1: Amyl and The Sniffers 

 

FR: Skindred*

Edited 4 hours ago by Andre91

[andyrhodes24]

17 hours ago, Andre91 said:

I’ve come to the conclusion that BMTH can’t open their set with YOUtopia. It would be a right damp squib of an opener. 

I’ve come to the same conclusion, it’s a belting opening to the album but not sure about it opening a gig. I’d put Dreamseeker/Youtopia in the middle if at all.

 

Opening with Can You Feel My Heart last time was massive, but the current Final Fantasy Darkside intro would do it for me.

[foolee]

I think there’s a lot of good stuff on there but there’s almost not enough for me to part with money for a weekend or day so wouldn’t surprise me if younger folk with less disposal income are thinking the same. Can imagine some younger ones deciding on different festivals or holidays tbh. You’ve got the festivals like Truck/boardmasters which are much cheaper now or for the same price as R&L you could go on holiday, I heard some possibly college/uni students discussing this the other day. 
 

Then I wonder whether the slightly older crowds are of the same view as me. I hate how the crowds gone so I’m reluctant to camp these days which means spending too much on tickets/hotel to justify it.
 

The days are so jumbled that there’s not enough to part for a day ticket, would love to see Travis Scott and there’s only Amyl & Sea Girls that I’d want to watch that day but it wouldn’t totally surprise me if they all clashed. Would be down for the BMTH day as I love them but I’ve seen Enter Shikari a million times and I’ve either seen or will manage to catch anyone else I want to see on there day. Again the Chappell day is good but now I’m expecting her at Glasto there’s nothing wow or different that I’ve not seen or can’t go see close to me that makes me urgently want to get a ticket. 
 

But saying all this I’m probably just not the demographic anymore. It’s just a shame how it’s almost very good and they’ve good quite a lot of good bands/artists but it does feel like it’s missing something. 

[Andre91]

7 minutes ago, andyrhodes24 said:

I’ve come to the same conclusion, it’s a belting opening to the album but not sure about it opening a gig. I’d put Dreamseeker/Youtopia in the middle if at all.

 

Opening with Can You Feel My Heart last time was massive, but the current Final Fantasy Darkside intro would do it for me.

I think they should open with Kool-Aid. 

[andyrhodes24]

 

1 minute ago, foolee said:

I think there’s a lot of good stuff on there but there’s almost not enough for me to part with money for a weekend or day so wouldn’t surprise me if younger folk with less disposal income are thinking the same. Can imagine some younger ones deciding on different festivals or holidays tbh. You’ve got the festivals like Truck/boardmasters which are much cheaper now or for the same price as R&L you could go on holiday, I heard some possibly college/uni students discussing this the other day. 
 

Then I wonder whether the slightly older crowds are of the same view as me. I hate how the crowds gone so I’m reluctant to camp these days which means spending too much on tickets/hotel to justify it.
 

The days are so jumbled that there’s not enough to part for a day ticket, would love to see Travis Scott and there’s only Amyl & Sea Girls that I’d want to watch that day but it wouldn’t totally surprise me if they all clashed. Would be down for the BMTH day as I love them but I’ve seen Enter Shikari a million times and I’ve either seen or will manage to catch anyone else I want to see on there day. Again the Chappell day is good but now I’m expecting her at Glasto there’s nothing wow or different that I’ve not seen or can’t go see close to me that makes me urgently want to get a ticket. 
 

But saying all this I’m probably just not the demographic anymore. It’s just a shame how it’s almost very good and they’ve good quite a lot of good bands/artists but it does feel like it’s missing something. 

The Travis day is diabolical for me, if it was the Sunday I’d go home early. There’s only Amyl and Sea Girls on there for me and I’m not that arsed about either.

 

The other two days are doing the heavy lifting so far but for a first announcement they’ve really banked on Travis and Chappell Roan shifting the tickets. At £325+ punters need more than that. As we’ve said before the rest of the lineup is just the usual rotation of R&L fodder. It’d cost £150 at a superstruct festival so there no wonder people are preferring those.

[andyrhodes24]

1 minute ago, Andre91 said:

I think they should open with Kool-Aid. 

I was thinking that, Kool-Aid or some kind of extended Happy Song intro.
 

They should also throw RIP Duskcore Remix in for the fun of it.

[gfa]

18 hours ago, Chad888 said:

 

I still class Ibiza in with those Greek parry islands tbh. I did Kavos at 16, Zante at 17 and that was pretty much the coming of age thing back then. 18 was Ibiza, and by the looks of it, 18 is still Ibiza and Magaluf, whilst people in their 20s are now Dubai.

I don't think you realise how expensive Ibiza is. No 18 year olds go there anymore

 

It costs around 5x as much as a greek party island / magaluf