2025 R&L Festival

[charlierc]

On 11/20/2023 at 6:08 PM, Chad888 said:

Lest we be stuck with Kings of Leon, Kasabian, Fallout Boy, Biffy Clyro for eternity.

Well objectively they have to retire one day. Not that I'm sure if Kasabian are MSE anymore, or if Kings of Leon might now stick to their own shows.

[Andre91]

Doja Cat x Royal Blood 

Eminem x Central Cee 

Foo Fighters x Kasabian 

[Guest]

Think Central Cee will be MSE by the time 2025 comes around.

[Andre91]

6 minutes ago, SomeoneListeningIn said:

Think Central Cee will be MSE by the time 2025 comes around.

Wouldn’t surprise me tbf. 

[Guest]

I'm gonna change mine to

MSE: Central Cee
MSW: Tyler, The Creator

MSE: Dua Lipa
MSW: Bring Me The Horizon

MSE: Muse
MSW: Courteeners

I know people said BMTH would be MSE now (and they might be), but I'm not really sure what they've done since 2022 for their stock to have risen that much. They've got a good relationship with the festival, Lana is doing MSW this year and QOTSA are doing Download this year so now there's precedent of their headliners being booked for MSW.

[Andre91]

13 minutes ago, SomeoneListeningIn said:

I'm gonna change mine to

MSE: Central Cee
MSW: Tyler, The Creator

MSE: Dua Lipa
MSW: Bring Me The Horizon

MSE: Muse
MSW: Courteeners

I know people said BMTH would be MSE now (and they might be), but I'm not really sure what they've done since 2022 for their stock to have risen that much. They've got a good relationship with the festival, Lana is doing MSW this year and QOTSA are doing Download this year so now there's precedent of their headliners being booked for MSW.

BMTH have headlined Download, will have done another arena tour and released a new record by then. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

BMTH have headlined Download, will have done another arena tour and released a new record by then. 

Like I said, QOTSA are playing Download next year and were booked for MSW in 2021 so there's precedent.

Is their upcoming tour any bigger than those they've done previously?

[Guest]

Could see Noah Kahan headlining this.

[charlierc]

MSE: Dua Lipa (Fri R), Muse (Sat R), Olivia Rodrigo (Sun R)

MSW: Dave (Fri R), Paramore (Sat R), Queens of the Stone Age (Sun R)

This will unquestionably be wrong on all counts tbf - I absolutely did not see Gerry Cinnamon, LDR or Catfish coming, and I suspect that MSW trio might be too expensive. But f**k it why not moonshot it.

[Guest]

Yeah Dave ain't doing MSW.

Central Cee / Noah Kahan

Dua Lipa / Yungblud

Muse / Courteeners

[Andre91]

Changed my mind from yesterday: 

Olivia Rodrigo x YUNGBLUD

Central Cee x Royal Blood 

Foo Fighters x Kasabian

[charlierc]

10 hours ago, SomeoneListeningIn said:

Yeah Dave ain't doing MSW.

 

My bad. I'd forgotten he did MSE last year.

OK so yeah that's a definite no for starters.

[foolee]

Dua Lipa x Yungblud

Bring Me The Horizon x Central Cee

Olivia Rodrigo x Courteeners

[Muppetmark]

On 11/24/2023 at 8:19 PM, SomeoneListeningIn said:

Like I said, QOTSA are playing Download next year and were booked for MSW in 2021 so there's precedent.

Is their upcoming tour any bigger than those they've done previously?

Bmth are doing 2 nights at the O2 while qotsa only did one. It is bmth's biggest tour. 

[Chad888]

On 11/24/2023 at 8:15 PM, Andre91 said:

BMTH have headlined Download, will have done another arena tour and released a new record by then. 

We've been saying for about 5 years on here "BMTH are definitely big enough to headline THIS year". 

Its a lot easier for an artist to sell arena tour tickets to 10,000 fans in a city of 1,000,000 people when it costs about £30-40.

BMTH got MSW after going the commercial, saleable route, including pop stars in their tracks, still being unable to break into charting territory, despite heavy radio play.

Download is a vastly different kettle of fish to R&L too, it is dedicated to Rock music. R&L is now a modern V-fest, dedicated to the commercial charting pop music. The R&L that people think it could be is gone.

I think BMTH will very much struggle to get higher than MSW, heck even Catfish and Yungblud are more commercially accepted than they are, and will probably headline first.

[northernangel]

On 11/26/2023 at 9:17 AM, foolee said:

Dua Lipa x Yungblud

Bring Me The Horizon x Central Cee

Olivia Rodrigo x Courteeners

I think you need Foos in there.

Dua Lupa, Foos, Olivia. 

[wghennessy]

On 11/25/2023 at 5:44 PM, Andre91 said:

Changed my mind from yesterday: 

Olivia Rodrigo x YUNGBLUD

Central Cee x Royal Blood 

Foo Fighters x Kasabian

offft Orod day please

[foolee]

52 minutes ago, northernangel said:

I think you need Foos in there.

Dua Lupa, Foos, Olivia. 

I feel like Foos, Dua and OR would be way too big. Reckon Foos will still be touring next summer? 

[Chad888]

23 minutes ago, foolee said:

I feel like Foos, Dua and OR would be way too big. Reckon Foos will still be touring next summer? 

In the same way I said Blink were booked about 4 months ago, I can say Foos are there next year.

The rest is conjecture to me, but I know Foos are there.

[northernangel]

30 minutes ago, foolee said:

I feel like Foos, Dua and OR would be way too big. Reckon Foos will still be touring next summer? 

Is it that much bigger than Blink, Fred and Liam?

Remember that only one of this years MSW have ever played their own outdoor show in England. LDR has but neither Gerry nor Catfish have on a big scale.

Nor have Dua Lipa or ORod, whether they could is a different thing. Blink and Liam 'could' if they wanted to.

I think Foos will end their tour on Reading, they only really started late 23 so finishing late 25 would make it a 2 year tour.

[On The Blend]

On 11/25/2023 at 11:24 AM, SomeoneListeningIn said:

Could see Noah Kahan headlining this.

Who is Noah Kahan when they're at lunch?

[Muppetmark]

5 hours ago, Chad888 said:

We've been saying for about 5 years on here "BMTH are definitely big enough to headline THIS year". 

Its a lot easier for an artist to sell arena tour tickets to 10,000 fans in a city of 1,000,000 people when it costs about £30-40.

BMTH got MSW after going the commercial, saleable route, including pop stars in their tracks, still being unable to break into charting territory, despite heavy radio play.

Download is a vastly different kettle of fish to R&L too, it is dedicated to Rock music. R&L is now a modern V-fest, dedicated to the commercial charting pop music. The R&L that people think it could be is gone.

I think BMTH will very much struggle to get higher than MSW, heck even Catfish and Yungblud are more commercially accepted than they are, and will probably headline first.

my bmth ticket was £60 before dynamic pricing went mental for the o2.

here is all that is left for the o2. second night only as first night is fully sold out.

.61 seats at - £243.10

2 seats at £236.25

1 (resale) seat at £80.44

 

those are ticket sales catfish and yungblud could not match. They've got to be in a strong position in any year they're struggling.

[Gejonimo]

BMTH are possibly bringing their NEX_FEST to APE or elsewhere, sold out an arena tour with resale tickets going for double in some cases, headlined the biggest rock/metal festival in the UK, and will have their latest album out by the time 2024 fest comes around, likely at number 1. They will 100% be a MSE headliner next time they play. 

[Guest]

Thought of a few names that might be about

MSE: Central Cee, Playboi Carti, Turnstile
MSW: Bring Me The Horizon, Peggy Gou, Caroline Polachek

MSE: Dua Lipa, Jack Harlow, Dominic Fike
MSW: Noah Kahan, Phoebe Bridgers, The Last Dinner Party

MSE: Muse, Courteeners, Blossoms
MSW: Yungblud, Beabadoobee, Laufey

[charlierc]

On 11/25/2023 at 11:39 AM, charlierc said:

MSE: Dua Lipa (Fri R), Muse (Sat R), Olivia Rodrigo (Sun R)

MSW: Dave (Fri R), Paramore (Sat R), Queens of the Stone Age (Sun R)

Revised version:

MSE: Dua Lipa (Fri R), Muse (Sat R), Olivia Rodrigo (Sun R)

MSW: Yungblud (Fri R), Paramore (Sat R), Kasabian (Sun R)

But then this'll be wrong as well so...

Edited December 2, 2023 by charlierc