2025 R&L Festival

[NorthernSoul52]

Nearly all the singles from it were cracking pop tunes. But I do think - probably because they toured the earlier ones for a while - the balance has been off on their shows abroad this summer.

[DomDom1984]

BMTH are doing their only Euro shows in Germany no?

[Benj]

17 hours ago, Andre91 said:

He’s headlined Wireless and would definitely be doing arenas if he came over so I think he’s big enough. Not that it means much but he’s rumoured to be headlining Coachella too. 
 

New album dropping next week and the hype is big. 

Everyone is doing arenas these days.

 

That said, if you’re trying to create a diverse top 6, he’d likely be a decent name, hard to imagine he’d be ending the night though

[Rusty Spoon]

1 hour ago, DomDom1984 said:

BMTH are doing their only Euro shows in Germany no?

Following the initial announcement, the wording was changed to 'only mainland Europe shows' which would indicate something in the UK.

[andyrhodes24]

3 hours ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Nearly all the singles from it were cracking pop tunes. But I do think - probably because they toured the earlier ones for a while - the balance has been off on their shows abroad this summer.

The balance has been well off. Strangers and Die4u were out absolutely ages to the point where I didn’t think they’d be on the album. Doubt they’ll play them live but N/A and Dig It are belters. Would also like to see RIP (Duskcore) live

Edited October 19, 2024 by andyrhodes24

[Chad888]

We're doing that thing we do every year, with Chappell Roan.

 

We hear a name and go through the stages of grief, before finally justifying to ourselves that they absolutely are headliner material ... and when it's announced they're 3rd or sub, or another stage, we revert back to normality.

 

We did it with Glass Animals in 21, we did it with Yungblud in 22, we did it with Central Cee last year.

 

We had Lana Del Rey subbing, Chappel Roan is half of a Lana. Billie Eilish only headlined last year and she's 100x what Roan is. Heck, 21 Savage is bigger than Roan, especially with the R&L demographic and he was a glorified 3rd down.

 

Roan isn't an alternative to Swift, she's doing 4,000 seater venues. I went to see Ashanti a few years back in a 10,000 venue and she sure as hell isn't heading.

 

 

Chappel Roan will be either an exclusive guest like 21 Savage, and get placed subbing the 6 headliners. Or she will be topping the Chevron stage.

[Chad888]

2 hours ago, Benj said:

Everyone is doing arenas these days.

 

That said, if you’re trying to create a diverse top 6, he’d likely be a decent name, hard to imagine he’d be ending the night though

Tyler would be a decent name, but he's lost his buzz amongst the kids now. And the "banned in the UK" moniker won't have as much sway.

 

I'd absolutely love him, him and Odd Future were my favourites 12/13 years ago. And Tyler of Goblin/Wolf is one of the best for me.

 

But even Igor, when he started getting the younger lot on side would be 6 years before this festival, and those kids are now mid 20s and moving past festival age.

 

I'd still kill for Kanye, Tyler and J Cole though.

[andyrhodes24]

23 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

We're doing that thing we do every year, with Chappell Roan.

 

We hear a name and go through the stages of grief, before finally justifying to ourselves that they absolutely are headliner material ... and when it's announced they're 3rd or sub, or another stage, we revert back to normality.

 

We did it with Glass Animals in 21, we did it with Yungblud in 22, we did it with Central Cee last year.

 

We had Lana Del Rey subbing, Chappel Roan is half of a Lana. Billie Eilish only headlined last year and she's 100x what Roan is. Heck, 21 Savage is bigger than Roan, especially with the R&L demographic and he was a glorified 3rd down.

 

Roan isn't an alternative to Swift, she's doing 4,000 seater venues. I went to see Ashanti a few years back in a 10,000 venue and she sure as hell isn't heading.

 

 

Chappel Roan will be either an exclusive guest like 21 Savage, and get placed subbing the 6 headliners. Or she will be topping the Chevron stage.

About current relevance and trajectory with Chappell Roan though isn’t it. Sabrina Carpenter/Taylor Swift aside this is as big a current booking as they could make. Crowd will be massive having seen the arena so quiet last couple of years I’m all for it.
 

Doubt she’ll come over here too regular after this tour but she’s underselling herself doing 4,000 cap venues now. She’ll also cost R&L a fortune so even if she did play 3rd down I doubt they’d be able to afford someone bigger to play 2nd down. If they’ve beaten Glasto to her then Melvin’s played a blinder.

[northernangel]

22 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

Tyler would be a decent name, but he's lost his buzz amongst the kids now. And the "banned in the UK" moniker won't have as much sway.

 

I'd absolutely love him, him and Odd Future were my favourites 12/13 years ago. And Tyler of Goblin/Wolf is one of the best for me.

 

But even Igor, when he started getting the younger lot on side would be 6 years before this festival, and those kids are now mid 20s and moving past festival age.

 

I'd still kill for Kanye, Tyler and J Cole though.

look for wireless, wrong festival.

[Chad888]

5 hours ago, andyrhodes24 said:

About current relevance and trajectory with Chappell Roan though isn’t it. Sabrina Carpenter/Taylor Swift aside this is as big a current booking as they could make. Crowd will be massive having seen the arena so quiet last couple of years I’m all for it.
 

Doubt she’ll come over here too regular after this tour but she’s underselling herself doing 4,000 cap venues now. She’ll also cost R&L a fortune so even if she did play 3rd down I doubt they’d be able to afford someone bigger to play 2nd down. If they’ve beaten Glasto to her then Melvin’s played a blinder.

She's in the same niche as Charli XCX 10 years ago. Why on earth are we putting her name alongside Taylor Swift?

 

We did the same thing with Yungblud 2 years back, going as far as saying that his song The Funeral was one of the greatest punk rock songs since the 80s.

 

Polo G had the most streamed song of 2021, but he wasn't headlining and having comparisons to Kendrick etc.

[Chad888]

5 hours ago, northernangel said:

look for wireless, wrong festival.

Wireless has been shocking for a long time. If I want to watch Dababy, Cardi B, Yung Lean as headliners, I'd be in a parallel universe.

 

Lack of camping, tonnes of robberies, not my style at all.

[andyrhodes24]

2 hours ago, Chad888 said:

She's in the same niche as Charli XCX 10 years ago. Why on earth are we putting her name alongside Taylor Swift?

 

We did the same thing with Yungblud 2 years back, going as far as saying that his song The Funeral was one of the greatest punk rock songs since the 80s.

 

Polo G had the most streamed song of 2021, but he wasn't headlining and having comparisons to Kendrick etc.

I’d normally agree but I think this case is different.

 

If they’d bagged CR for 2024 it would’ve have been like when they got Billie Eilish and Postie playing mid afternoon, looking back they were sensational bookings. Missed the boat for that slot for CR and they won’t get her for anything less than second down now. She’s a certified pop star and ticket shifter right now even if she is relatively new on the scene.

Edited October 19, 2024 by andyrhodes24

[northernangel]

3 hours ago, Chad888 said:

Wireless has been shocking for a long time. If I want to watch Dababy, Cardi B, Yung Lean as headliners, I'd be in a parallel universe.

 

Lack of camping, tonnes of robberies, not my style at all.

It's still a wireless trio that I'll also make a point of would be the worst headlining trio I can imagine. 

[NorthernSoul52]

There's more crossover with Wireless these days, but R+L will still - even as it moves away from it to a great extent - have some guitar lineage in there.

[charlierc]

On 10/18/2024 at 7:06 PM, chew the fat said:

What? He headlined Coachella this year.

So he did: Tyler, the Creator at Coachella review – an exhilarating, high-stakes spectacle | Coachella | The Guardian

 

Clearly I assume his career over in the UK hasn't been neutered by being banned from entering the UK by Theresa May. Whether he's R&L level head or needs a co-head to support is another question.

[charlierc]

1 hour ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

There's more crossover with Wireless these days, but R+L will still - even as it moves away from it to a great extent - have some guitar lineage in there.

Think a likely blueprint for main stage could well be a case of having designated dance and rock days.

 

Even if I'm aware the Chevron seems to have been primarily set up for the dance side of life.

[gfa]

On 10/19/2024 at 2:23 PM, Chad888 said:

We're doing that thing we do every year, with Chappell Roan.

 

We hear a name and go through the stages of grief, before finally justifying to ourselves that they absolutely are headliner material ... and when it's announced they're 3rd or sub, or another stage, we revert back to normality.

 

We did it with Glass Animals in 21, we did it with Yungblud in 22, we did it with Central Cee last year.

 

We had Lana Del Rey subbing, Chappel Roan is half of a Lana. Billie Eilish only headlined last year and she's 100x what Roan is. Heck, 21 Savage is bigger than Roan, especially with the R&L demographic and he was a glorified 3rd down.

 

Roan isn't an alternative to Swift, she's doing 4,000 seater venues. I went to see Ashanti a few years back in a 10,000 venue and she sure as hell isn't heading.

 

 

Chappel Roan will be either an exclusive guest like 21 Savage, and get placed subbing the 6 headliners. Or she will be topping the Chevron stage.

Saying Chappell Roan is doing 4k venues is like saying Green Day do 100 cap venues because they played at that pub in soho a few months ago.

 

She did 15k at brixton and it was impossible to get tickets to an extent that I have never seen before for a new act. She is already bigger on the world stage than Glass Animals, Yungblud and Central Cee. Different gravy of act

 

She's come along at a weird time - she's not comparable to the 3 acts above, more to your Billie / Dua playing super early slots and getting a monster crowd, except she has broke out at the wrong time of the year to do those and instead is leapfrogging

 

If you look at her recent USA festival shows, its exactly like this - her playing a main stage at 3pm with a gigantic crowd (austin city limits for instance)

 

On 10/19/2024 at 2:53 PM, andyrhodes24 said:

About current relevance and trajectory with Chappell Roan though isn’t it. Sabrina Carpenter/Taylor Swift aside this is as big a current booking as they could make. Crowd will be massive having seen the arena so quiet last couple of years I’m all for it.
 

Doubt she’ll come over here too regular after this tour but she’s underselling herself doing 4,000 cap venues now. She’ll also cost R&L a fortune so even if she did play 3rd down I doubt they’d be able to afford someone bigger to play 2nd down. If they’ve beaten Glasto to her then Melvin’s played a blinder.

She's a better booking than Sabrina Carpenter i reckon

Edited October 20, 2024 by gfa

[northernangel]

11 minutes ago, gfa said:

 

She's a better booking than Sabrina Carpenter i reckon

So are most artists though lol.

[Andre91]

45 minutes ago, gfa said:

Saying Chappell Roan is doing 4k venues is like saying Green Day do 100 cap venues because they played at that pub in soho a few months ago.

 

She did 15k at brixton and it was impossible to get tickets to an extent that I have never seen before for a new act. She is already bigger on the world stage than Glass Animals, Yungblud and Central Cee. Different gravy of act

 

She's come along at a weird time - she's not comparable to the 3 acts above, more to your Billie / Dua playing super early slots and getting a monster crowd, except she has broke out at the wrong time of the year to do those and instead is leapfrogging

 

If you look at her recent USA festival shows, its exactly like this - her playing a main stage at 3pm with a gigantic crowd (austin city limits for instance)

 

She's a better booking than Sabrina Carpenter i reckon

I genuinely don’t think there’s a better booking the festival can make than Chappell Roan. 

[andyrhodes24]

1 hour ago, Andre91 said:

I genuinely don’t think there’s a better booking the festival can make than Chappell Roan. 

If you think I, a 30 year old Yorkshireman, will be belting out Hot To Go at Bramham Park next August… you’re absolutely f**king right

[Chad888]

13 hours ago, gfa said:

Saying Chappell Roan is doing 4k venues is like saying Green Day do 100 cap venues because they played at that pub in soho a few months ago.

 

She did 15k at brixton and it was impossible to get tickets to an extent that I have never seen before for a new act. She is already bigger on the world stage than Glass Animals, Yungblud and Central Cee. Different gravy of act

 

She's come along at a weird time - she's not comparable to the 3 acts above, more to your Billie / Dua playing super early slots and getting a monster crowd, except she has broke out at the wrong time of the year to do those and instead is leapfrogging

 

If you look at her recent USA festival shows, its exactly like this - her playing a main stage at 3pm with a gigantic crowd (austin city limits for instance)

 

She's a better booking than Sabrina Carpenter i reckon

The USA is a different kettle to here though, like the discussion with Tyler the Creator - headlined Coachella and we question whether he would be big enough in the UK. 

 

Yes the 4k comment was a little exaggerated for emphasis, but she is still very much a viral sensation star.

 

1 album, 3 singles that hit the UKs top 100. Only 2 in the top 10, both peaking at Gold numbers, and those numbers includes all streaming and video watches too.

 

Compare that to Lana Del Rey (who she'd most likely be following the footsteps of, who was a glorified sub)..

 

8 x number 1 UK albums

38 x top 100 singles

6 x top 10 singles pre-dating the streaming inclusion.

 

 

Yes - great inclusion on the lineup and a testament to the booking team. Really strong as an exclusive.

 

No - Nowhere near the size to headline when it very much is a 1 or 2 hit "wonder" so far. 

 

I'd have hated to see Polo G headline after having the most streamed song of 2020 or 21 or whenever it was.

 

 

[gfa]

5 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

The USA is a different kettle to here though, like the discussion with Tyler the Creator - headlined Coachella and we question whether he would be big enough in the UK. 

 

Yes the 4k comment was a little exaggerated for emphasis, but she is still very much a viral sensation star.

 

1 album, 3 singles that hit the UKs top 100. Only 2 in the top 10, both peaking at Gold numbers, and those numbers includes all streaming and video watches too.

 

Compare that to Lana Del Rey (who she'd most likely be following the footsteps of, who was a glorified sub)..

 

8 x number 1 UK albums

38 x top 100 singles

6 x top 10 singles pre-dating the streaming inclusion.

 

 

Yes - great inclusion on the lineup and a testament to the booking team. Really strong as an exclusive.

 

No - Nowhere near the size to headline when it very much is a 1 or 2 hit "wonder" so far. 

 

I'd have hated to see Polo G headline after having the most streamed song of 2020 or 21 or whenever it was.

 

 

If the field is full and she sells a heap of tickets (both near guaranteed) - then who cares.

 

For whatever reason she seems to go down a treat with all ages - plenty of people who often moan about popstars are a fan. Don't look at it so statistically.

 

There is no reason her crowd sizes won't be like these recent USA shows - its exactly the same as with Billie Eillish / Dua Lipa in recent years.

[NorthernSoul52]

16 hours ago, andyrhodes24 said:

If you think I, a 30 year old Yorkshireman, will be belting out Hot To Go at Bramham Park next August… you’re absolutely f**king right

Thirty-year-old Yorkshiremen respect.

[charlierc]

19 hours ago, andyrhodes24 said:

If you think I, a 30 year old Yorkshireman, will be belting out Hot To Go at Bramham Park next August… you’re absolutely f**king right

It's nice to have plans this far in advance isn't it?

[NorthernSoul52]

It can be a headache sometimes, to be fair.