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[The Orgazoid]

3 hours ago, zzzfest2.0 said:

It’s about time to introduce lottery system for the ticket booking/purchase as some folks have claimed every now and then. Seriously.

 

The whole chaos should end.

Under a lottery system, how often do you think you would be successful, out of interest? considering there are 2.5m active registrations, and getting tickets now actually involves getting up at a specific time first thing in the morning, rather than just having to enter your details at some point, in the space of probably at least a month or more.

 

And the above question assumes a completely fair lottery system, so 1 person 1 entry. in reality Glastonbury dont verify your identity at the moment, the picture is just to identify you at the gate, so assuming they continue to just ask for your name and address, a lottery system would probably be even more exploitable than the current system anyway.

[Johnnyseven]

20 hours ago, tmcintosh said:

 

I've heard this before but, as a Scouser who's been four times in a row (with my fifth upcoming 🥳) I think this is just copium from people who fail to get tickets. 
  
The reason you see (or you think you see) loads of Scousers round the site is a combination of: 
  

1. Glastonbury having semi-mythic status amongst Scousers. I was always told this was because the security firms all came from Liverpool in the 00s (presumably ex-gangland/door staff?) and spread the word about how great it was back home. Simply put, it just seems to mean more to people in Liverpool, and we're a bunch who like to follow the trends of others.  

 

Maybe some truth in this, back in the late 90s I encountered crews of scousers working the gates to get punters in without tickets - weren't security but could have had links. 

[zzzfest2.0]

Is the combination of registration (uploading a picture etc) and lottery conceivable so that a shifted ticket can not be legit and acceptable (with a different picture from the ticket holder who bought it from a tout etc)? Faking a ticket could be possible, yes, but replacing a picture printed on it would be a fiddly and time-consuming business I assume.

 

Oh, and you need to register every year, every time, to be in for lottery in this way.

 

Or am I missing something here?

[zzzfest2.0]

51 minutes ago, zzzfest2.0 said:

Oh, and you need to register every year, every time, to be in for lottery in this way.

Actually you don’t have to. Scratch this bit.

[Simsy]

6 hours ago, zzzfest2.0 said:

Is the combination of registration (uploading a picture etc) and lottery conceivable so that a shifted ticket can not be legit and acceptable (with a different picture from the ticket holder who bought it from a tout etc)? Faking a ticket could be possible, yes, but replacing a picture printed on it would be a fiddly and time-consuming business I assume.

 

Oh, and you need to register every year, every time, to be in for lottery in this way.

 

Or am I missing something here?

The problem with the lottery idea is that people who aren't really bothered and who register on a whim will have just as much chance as those who normally put in the effort for the sale.

 

It's like the London marathon, you get keen runners applying and failing year on year, and someone who's never run before (and won't bother training and might not even turn up) ends up getting in.

[Hotfry]

2012 Olympics used a lottery system. There was an equal amount of moaning from those that didn’t get tickets. 

[glast0gal]

1 hour ago, Hotfry said:

2012 Olympics used a lottery system. There was an equal amount of moaning from those that didn’t get tickets. 

For those who care about football, Arsenal changed to a ballot system for their ticket allocation this year. This is an inappropriate system to use for events where people dedicate their lives to following a team.

 

The ballot is the wrong sort of system to use for Glasto. Even though ticket day is horrendous, it does mean that a lot of people who go are dedicated enough to try for the tickets at the right time. 

[Simsy]

1 hour ago, Hotfry said:

2012 Olympics used a lottery system. There was an equal amount of moaning from those that didn’t get tickets. 

Yes, I got some fairly last minute tickets for a couple of things at the Olympics because people who got them in the ballot didn't actually want them so they went on general sale. Loads of people applied for events they weren't really interested in because it was a lottery system.

[The Orgazoid]

9 hours ago, zzzfest2.0 said:

Is the combination of registration (uploading a picture etc) and lottery conceivable so that a shifted ticket can not be legit and acceptable (with a different picture from the ticket holder who bought it from a tout etc)? Faking a ticket could be possible, yes, but replacing a picture printed on it would be a fiddly and time-consuming business I assume.

 

Oh, and you need to register every year, every time, to be in for lottery in this way.

 

Or am I missing something here?

The problem you're highlighting isn't the problem with a ballot, someone using a different persons ticket would be as much or as little an issue as it currently is.

 

Think about it, think about the current system. you give your name, address and photo, but do Glastonbury verify this in any way, do they do a voters roll check to confirm its actually your address? or Ask for a passport to confirm your name? No of course they don't. Your name is whatever you tell them, your picture is whatever picture you give them and your address is where you want your tickets delivered. Your picture serves to deter touts and selling tickets on, its checked at the gate only, if it looks like you then you get in.

 

Now think about a ballot, you can enter multiple separate registrations with a different picture and a different address, which could be any number of friends or family members that you could collect tickets from. You coudl even vary your name slightly with each registration, but you probably wouldn't need to bother.

 

Unless Glastonbury specifically have a fraud team to sift through every single registration and try and spot duplicates, or invest in expensive AI software to spot duplicates, then a ballot would be subject to the exact same methods that people use to gain an advantage in the current sale, i.e large groups etc. 

 

But why on earth would they need the extra cost and administration headache? They just need to sell tickets for their festival which the current system does very well, and very efficiently in a way that is already completely fair.

 

Instead, why doesn't the end user look at themselves and ask, what am I doing wrong?

 

 

 

 

Edited April 23 by The Orgazoid

[kemosabe]

On 4/22/2024 at 10:44 AM, The Orgazoid said:

It's great to be positive, but the hospitality tickets go to people in the industry. If someone has access to them and doesn't want to use it themselves, they will have a queue of friends and family who will take it off their hands (i.e. people they like and know). if it is getting to the stage they are happy to offload them to some random on the internet, then it will be for a huge profit, like £5k+ upwards.

 

If you can somehow gain access to hospitality tickets, it wont be for face value, unless you can befriend someone who has access to them to the point they like you enough to sell it to you for face value, and they dont want it themselves.

Not trying to be a d*ck or anything bringing this back up, but just to say I put the feelers out over the past few days and we have been offered a hospitality ticket for FV (£900) which we've taken. Mad expensive, but it is what it is. I think in a cynical world it's often hard to remember that people are generally nice, and will help you if they can.   

Also I was offered another one for 1.2k, so not quite the 5k level - but still a mark up. 

Edited April 24 by kemosabe

[angelin]

My friend paid £650 last year for one which isn’t bad. Can’t remember where she got it from though 😂😂

 

tbh none of my group would be willing to pay a penny  above the price appart from a couple of us

[gooner1990]

On 4/23/2024 at 8:53 AM, glast0gal said:

For those who care about football, Arsenal changed to a ballot system for their ticket allocation this year. This is an inappropriate system to use for events where people dedicate their lives to following a team.

 

The ballot is the wrong sort of system to use for Glasto. Even though ticket day is horrendous, it does mean that a lot of people who go are dedicated enough to try for the tickets at the right time. 

 

A lot of unhappy people about that system!

[glast0gal]

2 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

 

A lot of unhappy people about that system!

Nice to see a fellow Gooner around these parts! Yep, I’ve got mates who have been going to matches for years and have the tier/status points to match and it’s just a bizarre system to put in place. Really feel for them. I’ve piggy backed off of their spare silver card a few times before this season and it was great. Wonder if they’ll change it back?

[doogie]

On 4/23/2024 at 6:47 AM, Simsy said:

The problem with the lottery idea is that people who aren't really bothered and who register on a whim will have just as much chance as those who normally put in the effort for the sale.

 

It's like the London marathon, you get keen runners applying and failing year on year, and someone who's never run before (and won't bother training and might not even turn up) ends up getting in.

The London Marathon is a good example of why a pure ballot system with no real barriers to entry is a terrible idea.

 

Until about 2010, if you wanted to apply through the ballot, you had to fill in an application form that was printed in a specialist magazine that you could pick up for free from any running shop.  If you applied unsuccessfully for 5 years in a row, you were guaranteed entry in your 6th year.  This meant you had to put in a bit of effort and dedication, but if you really wanted to take part, you'd get in eventually.

 

Then around 2010 they switched to an internet based form that anyone could access with zero effort and as a result, applications increased more than tenfold, so they had to end the guarantee of entry in your 6th year.

Edited April 24 by doogie

[Johnnyseven]

1 hour ago, kemosabe said:

Not trying to be a d*ck or anything bringing this back up, but just to say I put the feelers out over the past few days and we have been offered a hospitality ticket for FV (£900) which we've taken. Mad expensive, but it is what it is. I think in a cynical world it's often hard to remember that people are generally nice, and will help you if they can.   

Also I was offered another one for 1.2k, so not quite the 5k level - but still a mark up. 

 

Sounds like you have a ticket that comes with access to the on-site hospitality campsite, which is pretty much a no frills affair that just comes with a few food vendors, private bar and showers. The £5k tickets folk are talking about are for the off-site luxury glamping sites.

[gooner1990]

1 hour ago, glast0gal said:

Nice to see a fellow Gooner around these parts! Yep, I’ve got mates who have been going to matches for years and have the tier/status points to match and it’s just a bizarre system to put in place. Really feel for them. I’ve piggy backed off of their spare silver card a few times before this season and it was great. Wonder if they’ll change it back?

Luckily I'm a STH so it doesn't affect me but plenty of my friends are silver members. 🙂 

[Nice hymer]

On 4/23/2024 at 9:31 AM, The Orgazoid said:

you give your name, address and photo, but do Glastonbury verify this in any way, do they do a voters roll check to confirm its actually your address? or Ask for a passport to confirm your name? No of course they don't. Your name is whatever you tell them, your picture is whatever picture you give them and your address is where you want your tickets delivered. Your picture serves to deter touts and selling tickets on, its checked at the gate only, if it looks like you then you get in.

The festival has done this in previous years (2019).

Lots of people were gaming the system to obtain local tickets (to the point where genuine locals were missing out).

GFL sent out emails to request recent proof of address (drivers license, council tax bill, polling card), anyone who couldn't provide their details were correct had their tickets cancelled after 14 days. So it's at least possible...

[kemosabe]

17 minutes ago, Johnnyseven said:

 

Sounds like you have a ticket that comes with access to the on-site hospitality campsite, which is pretty much a no frills affair that just comes with a few food vendors, private bar and showers. The £5k tickets folk are talking about are for the off-site luxury glamping sites.

Nah it's the press access one with the cut through bit and the hospitality bar access thing, but I appreciate what you mean about there being different prices.

But the whole original conversation was about me looking for other options to get a ticket, of which the poster replied saying no chance and if you do see one it'll be marked up to 5k. Which, when you're just looking for the no frills ticket, isn't necessarily true.  

[Jack.194]

Whatever system, the ticketless will moan. I’ve been lucky enough to get tickets for the past 3 festivals, and this years as well. But it isn’t all luck, I prepared, gathered people to help, and all that goes towards your chances of getting tickets. I think the issue with a lottery system is - as numerous others have stated - it doesn’t rewards extra effort.

[Johnnyseven]

31 minutes ago, kemosabe said:

Nah it's the press access one with the cut through bit and the hospitality bar access thing, but I appreciate what you mean about there being different prices.

But the whole original conversation was about me looking for other options to get a ticket, of which the poster replied saying no chance and if you do see one it'll be marked up to 5k. Which, when you're just looking for the no frills ticket, isn't necessarily true.  

 

I think that's the same kind of hospitality ticket as I was talking unless you don't get hospitality camping access with your ticket?

 

It seems the people you were talking to just didn't know about all the options that are out there.

[MatthewTurner]

3 hours ago, kemosabe said:

Not trying to be a d*ck or anything bringing this back up, but just to say I put the feelers out over the past few days and we have been offered a hospitality ticket for FV (£900) which we've taken. Mad expensive, but it is what it is. I think in a cynical world it's often hard to remember that people are generally nice, and will help you if they can.   

Also I was offered another one for 1.2k, so not quite the 5k level - but still a mark up. 

Have you got any feelers still out there that could be sent my way mate?

[Ayrshire Chris]

1 hour ago, Johnnyseven said:

 

Sounds like you have a ticket that comes with access to the on-site hospitality campsite, which is pretty much a no frills affair that just comes with a few food vendors, private bar and showers. The £5k tickets folk are talking about are for the off-site luxury glamping sites.

Correct, the tickets have your name printed on them, and are exchanged for a wristband on production of photo proof of ID  such as a passport or driving licence.  The festival are strict about this and that tickets are sold for face value only. Hospitality camping is near Woodsies and there’s access to the hospitality area between the pyramid and other stage. A good cut through to miss the crowds I’ve been told. I think entry to the festival is through the wicket gate near gate A. Hospitality parking is at the bronze gate and costs more that other festival parking. 

[JackP1994]

42 minutes ago, Jack.194 said:

Whatever system, the ticketless will moan. I’ve been lucky enough to get tickets for the past 3 festivals, and this years as well. But it isn’t all luck, I prepared, gathered people to help, and all that goes towards your chances of getting tickets. I think the issue with a lottery system is - as numerous others have stated - it doesn’t rewards extra effort.

 

I didn’t get a ticket this year (been every year since 2014).

Gutted of course, but still completely agree that the current system is the best for people who are truly dedicated about going.

 

Only thing that concerns me is the rumours of bots/people from a certain North West region exploiting the system. 

 

We didn’t get a sniff this year, nor did the majority of people we know that really tried for tickets.

 

Hoping that see tickets put a stop to this for next year (if it is indeed true).

[kemosabe]

49 minutes ago, MatthewTurner said:

Have you got any feelers still out there that could be sent my way mate?

 

Can tell you about a 1.5k ticket if you're interested lad? Not more at face value I don't think, sorry! Although if I hear owt else back I'll drop you a message 

Edited April 24 by kemosabe

[mjfromthelane]

5 hours ago, kemosabe said:

Not trying to be a d*ck or anything bringing this back up, but just to say I put the feelers out over the past few days and we have been offered a hospitality ticket for FV (£900) which we've taken. Mad expensive, but it is what it is. I think in a cynical world it's often hard to remember that people are generally nice, and will help you if they can.   

Also I was offered another one for 1.2k, so not quite the 5k level - but still a mark up. 

 

You sorted that quick 😆

 

Fair play though - I definitely thought a FV hospitality ticket would have been harder to come by for the typical punter. You must have had a good contact there 👍