UK Politics

[LJS]

On 8/23/2024 at 9:36 AM, steviewevie said:

 

Policy Exchange - Decarbonising the Grid

• Net Zero 2030 scenario, compared to Business as Usual:
  • £15.6bn/year of additional investment until 2030 (a total of £93.5b)
  • £4.4bn/year of additional investment from 2031 – 2035 (a total of £22.5bn).
  • Total additional investment of £116bn over next 11 years.
• Net Zero 2035 scenario compared to Business as Usual:
  • £8.2bn/year of additional investment until 2030 (a total of £49.3b)
  • £11.1bn/year of additional investment from 2031 – 2035 (a total of £55.3bn)
  • Total additional investment of £104.6bn over next 11 years.

they could use those extra billions to help out other countries to transition, those with bigger carbon footprints. It's a global problem.

 

Policy exchange  - that well known left wing environmental group

Last year, Policy Exchange published a polemic that claimed Extinction Rebellion is led by dangerous extremists. As usual, it was widely covered by the media. Less discussed was the report that the lobby group has received funding from the power company Drax, the trade association Energy UK, and the gas companies E.ON and Cadent, whose fossil-fuel investments are threatened by environmental activism. These are among the few funders whose identities we know. Policy Exchange is listed by Who Funds You? as among the UK’s most opaque thinktanks. It might seem remarkable that without having to reveal its funders, while promoting shifts that could harm civil society, Policy Exchange remains a registered charity.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/01/no-10-lobby-groups-democracy-policy-exchange

 

or according to Wikipedia...

 

Policy Exchange is a British right-wing  conservative think tank based in London. In 2007 it was described in The Daily Telegraph as "the largest, but also the most influential think tank on the right".  Although Policy Exchange is a registered charity,  it refuses to disclose the sources of its funding and is ranked as one of the least transparent think tanks in the UK. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_Exchange
 

[steviewevie]

4 hours ago, LJS said:

 

Policy exchange  - that well known left wing environmental group

Last year, Policy Exchange published a polemic that claimed Extinction Rebellion is led by dangerous extremists. As usual, it was widely covered by the media. Less discussed was the report that the lobby group has received funding from the power company Drax, the trade association Energy UK, and the gas companies E.ON and Cadent, whose fossil-fuel investments are threatened by environmental activism. These are among the few funders whose identities we know. Policy Exchange is listed by Who Funds You? as among the UK’s most opaque thinktanks. It might seem remarkable that without having to reveal its funders, while promoting shifts that could harm civil society, Policy Exchange remains a registered charity.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/01/no-10-lobby-groups-democracy-policy-exchange

 

or according to Wikipedia...

 

Policy Exchange is a British right-wing  conservative think tank based in London. In 2007 it was described in The Daily Telegraph as "the largest, but also the most influential think tank on the right".  Although Policy Exchange is a registered charity,  it refuses to disclose the sources of its funding and is ranked as one of the least transparent think tanks in the UK. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_Exchange
 

Oh. 

Well, best ignore those numbers then.

Anyway...they're still ploughing ahead with 2030 target and maybe they'll get there by some miracle, or maybe they'll fail and f**k off a lot of people on the way...we'll have to see.

I actually was a bit persuaded like this by some podcast I listened to a while ago...but that is probably right wing too.

Can the government really deli–The Expert Factor – Apple Podcasts

[Nobody Interesting]

10 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Nice bit of overreach...I guess they want that fight..all very late 70s... maybe we'll get another cool decade like the 80s to follow.

 

 

A 1% wealth tax would fund far more than just those pay rises and could help fix so many of the problems that only money can fix that the UK needs fixing soon.

Just get a wealth tax in place.

[Nobody Interesting]

9 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

 

Yep, it's all sh*t mate. We know, we knew, that's why you won the election........................................

 

How about actually telling us, honestly, what exactly it is you plan to do and roughly when to make things better rather than just banging on repeatedly about how sh*t the state of things you inherited is.

Let's have some concrete ideas about the way forward and let's get on with doing it sooner rather than later.

[steviewevie]

meanwhile

 

[kaosmark2]

22 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

 

This messaging is so much more reminiscent of Cameron than of Blair. Shutting down optimism and playing the blame game.

[steviewevie]

45 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

 

This messaging is so much more reminiscent of Cameron than of Blair. Shutting down optimism and playing the blame game.

Things can only get worse.

[steviewevie]

Starner has inherited a worse situation than Blair and Cameron. Only so much you can polish a turd.

[kaosmark2]

16 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Starner has inherited a worse situation than Blair and Cameron. Only so much you can polish a turd.

Was it worse than the financial state under Atlee?

[steviewevie]

46 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Was it worse than the financial state under Atlee?

Much worse. 

[Neil]

On 8/21/2024 at 3:10 PM, Nobody Interesting said:

Something needs to change somewhere - it really is unsustainable living of made up money.

Living within our means

'means' is more than money, for national economics, it means 'resources', we cannot live beyond our resources, because no one will be giving us extra resources without expecting something back.

[Neil]

17 hours ago, Nobody Interesting said:

just get a wealth tax in place.

easier said than done. a pensions tax is more realistic.

Edited August 26 by Neil

[Nobody Interesting]

10 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Starner has inherited a worse situation than Blair and Cameron. Only so much you can polish a turd.

 

How can you know that, do you work inside the halls of power or are you just repeating what some media outlets say?

[steviewevie]

37 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

How can you know that, do you work inside the halls of power or are you just repeating what some media outlets say?

The state of public services and finances. I mean.. it's all there to see. Blair inherited public services that needed more money, but public finances were in a better state as was the economy. Cameron inherited an economy struggling after the crash and huge debt, but public services were much better than they are now.

[kaosmark2]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Cameron inherited an economy struggling after the crash and huge debt, but public services were much better than they are now.

I wonder what happened that meant public services got much worse...

[steviewevie]

[lost]

more managed decline it is then 👍

[kaosmark2]

36 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Wow the Tories were good for something

[Neil]

2 hours ago, lost said:

more managed decline it is then 👍

mis-managed decline!

[steviewevie]

Not sure whether I'm more excited about Oasis reunion tour or Starmer's speech in Downing Street's rose garden.

[lost]

The things getting worse before better could last 10 years apparently:

 

 

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, lost said:

The things getting worse before better could last 10 years apparently:

 

 

I thought he was going to fix everything in 50 days. Very disappointed. Will vote Reform next time.

[lost]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I thought he was going to fix everything in 50 days. Very disappointed. Will vote Reform next time.

 

some Scots thinking the same thing.

 

 

[Nobody Interesting]

20 minutes ago, lost said:

 

some Scots thinking the same thing.

 

 

 

Not just in Scotland, Reform on the rise all over and the Tories and Labour seem to be set on a course that will only further that rise.
Farage knows he can sit back and do and say little and still gain.

The UK is f**ked if Reform ever got into power.

[steviewevie]

Starmer saying tax rises and spending cuts ahead...and it's all the Tories fault.