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[steviewevie]

 

[philipsteak]

48 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

They love Sir Keir at the TUC.

OAPs hate him.

Labour MPs are scared of him.

 

 

steviewevie wants to be him.

 

Ozanne wants to be with him.

[steviewevie]

Jeez man I really wouldn't want to be Keir Starmer. I would like to know how Ozanne is though.

[steviewevie]

MPs voting on that winter fuel thing. Abstaining is the new rebelling, and there could be quite a few.

[steviewevie]

Also...what happens to those MPs already suspended who vote against?...almost feels that this was orchestrated to get them out (and a good excuse for them to get out)

[steviewevie]

Govt wins by 348 votes to 228. Over 50 abstain (I think).

[steviewevie]

only one labour MP not already suspended voted against, John Trickett. Five of the seven already suspended voted against. 

[stuie]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

 

nice to know that they care about old people dying, now they are the opposition. 

[steviewevie]

Abstainers!

 

 

[steviewevie]

Mel Stride is out. 

[steviewevie]

Robert Jenrick: 33 (+5)
Kemi Badenoch: 28 (+6)
James Cleverly: 21 (=)
Tom Tugendhat: 21 (+4)
Mel Stride: 16 (=)

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Labour seem to have killed whatever growth we had.

Edited September 11 by steviewevie

[lost]

people saving rather than spending to pay expected higher tax bills after next month?

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, lost said:

people saving rather than spending to pay expected higher tax bills after next month?

it's a real tightrope...tax rises, spending cuts, pro business, workers rights.

(reversing those NI cuts would go a long way to solving a lot of it).

[steviewevie]

Winter has come early under this government.

NHS reform day today.

[gary1979666]

My mum is seething at the moment - hating losing the winter fuel benefit.  But it sounds like there's plans for the 25% discount on council tax to be scrapped too.  She only lost my dad last October, so feels like the gov't are kicking her when she's down.  

[steviewevie]

Starmer says reform first then money...I wonder how long the reform will take, and where the money will come from?

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[steviewevie]

ouch

[clarkete]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

ouch

 

Important to note "Based on policy settings from March 2024, the analysis warns that public finances will be put on "an unsustainable path""

[hodgey123]

Not been on here in a while. Things looking quite bleak under Labour, frustratingly. Starmer not pivoting is perhaps as expected/warned, except even the most pessimistic assessments of Starmer's government didn't include austerity 2.0

[steviewevie]

There's kind of two sides to this Labour government. There's the side doing the stuff around de-carbonising, public transport, workers rights, planning, renters rights etc; and then there's the fiscal disciplined side led by Reeves. Not sure how long they can co-exist for, but that OBR graph forecasting debt per GDP to continue to rise shows the predicament this and future govts have. With low growth and an aging population there will have to be some changes...much higher taxes, high immigration, or things like mean testing pensions or changing how we fund health services. That is why they keep banging on about growth because that will help keep that graph line down to sustainable levels, but you can't just magic growth.

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

There's kind of two sides to this Labour government. There's the side doing the stuff around de-carbonising, public transport, workers rights, planning, renters rights etc; and then there's the fiscal disciplined side led by Reeves. Not sure how long they can co-exist for, but that OBR graph forecasting debt per GDP to continue to rise shows the predicament this and future govts have. With low growth and an aging population there will have to be some changes...much higher taxes, high immigration, or things like mean testing pensions or changing how we fund health services. That is why they keep banging on about growth because that will help keep that graph line down to sustainable levels, but you can't just magic growth.

unless Keir can stop us smoking, boozing and eating junk and then we'll have no need to go to A&E all the time.