UK Politics

[steviewevie]

[lost]

16 hours ago, lazyred said:

McSweeney is definitely in charge now

 

 

Quite the shift. He's sounding to right of Farage with this speech:

 

I didn't have the labour leader coming out and saying "that great replacement conspiracy is actually real" on my bingo card for 2024.

Edited 10 hours ago by lost

[Ryan1984]

Placating some voters who are angry with him and wishing they’d gone with Big Nige and co. Was in a pub the other day and the whole family next to me were moaning about Starmer “lying”. Wonder what they made of the past 14 years?

 

[steviewevie]

Starmer was saying stuff about training british people so didn't have to rely on immigration before the election, it isn't really new...but with these figures coming out being higher than expected and revised up in past he turned round what was going to be an attack by Badenoch back onto the tories...they are the party of open borders and high immigration.

Problem for Starmer is what happens when immigration stays high during this parliament, which it probably will..because the UK economy needs them...but at same time maybe they could get them back to pre-2020 levels which he could show to voters as progress. Of course Farage will just say net zero immigration, and then someone might have to actually state some hard cold facts.

Edited 8 hours ago by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

2 hours ago, lost said:

 

Quite the shift. He's sounding to right of Farage with this speech:

 

I didn't have the labour leader coming out and saying "that great replacement conspiracy is actually real" on my bingo card for 2024.

I mean, it is by design...we had free movement before brexit, then this got switched off at same time as we had a higher demand for certain jobs due to covid (also factor in allowing asylum seekers from Ukraine and Hong Kong to come here).

[steviewevie]

also...risk for Starmer is he may gain (or not lose) more reform/red wall/traditional working class/horrible zenophobic bigot voters...but will then lose the bleeding heart metropolitan liberal elite remainy voters to lib dems or greens. I guess it's where these votes are that matters, and still sweet spot seems to be to the left on economics and to the right on social policy.

[steviewevie]

 

[kaosmark2]

4 hours ago, steviewevie said:

also...risk for Starmer is he may gain (or not lose) more reform/red wall/traditional working class/horrible zenophobic bigot voters...but will then lose the bleeding heart metropolitan liberal elite remainy voters to lib dems or greens. I guess it's where these votes are that matters, and still sweet spot seems to be to the left on economics and to the right on social policy.

What left of centre economic policies will Starmer implement?

[lazyred]

2 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

What left of centre economic policies will Starmer implement?

Extra tax on business to fund nhs and pay public sector pay rises

More borrowing to invest in infrastructure 

An industrial strategy to promote AI and green energy

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

What left of centre economic policies will Starmer implement?

Workers rights, nationalising railways, increased public spending paid for by increased taxes and borrowing..?

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Extra tax on business to fund nhs and pay public sector pay rises

More borrowing to invest in infrastructure 

An industrial strategy to promote AI and green energy

Oh, you got there first.

[Alvoram]

On 11/29/2024 at 10:24 AM, steviewevie said:

Maybe assisted suicide will help with the aging population problem.

Maybe we can shed a few poor people whilst we're at it.

In case you can't tell, that is very much sarcasm, not my view at all. Have you seen what's happening in Canada? We need to be very very careful with this.