UK Politics

[steviewevie]

[lost]

16 hours ago, lazyred said:

McSweeney is definitely in charge now

 

 

Quite the shift. He's sounding to right of Farage with this speech:

 

I didn't have the labour leader coming out and saying "that great replacement conspiracy is actually real" on my bingo card for 2024.

Edited Saturday at 05:51 AM by lost

[Ryan1984]

Placating some voters who are angry with him and wishing they’d gone with Big Nige and co. Was in a pub the other day and the whole family next to me were moaning about Starmer “lying”. Wonder what they made of the past 14 years?

 

[steviewevie]

Starmer was saying stuff about training british people so didn't have to rely on immigration before the election, it isn't really new...but with these figures coming out being higher than expected and revised up in past he turned round what was going to be an attack by Badenoch back onto the tories...they are the party of open borders and high immigration.

Problem for Starmer is what happens when immigration stays high during this parliament, which it probably will..because the UK economy needs them...but at same time maybe they could get them back to pre-2020 levels which he could show to voters as progress. Of course Farage will just say net zero immigration, and then someone might have to actually state some hard cold facts.

Edited Saturday at 08:04 AM by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

2 hours ago, lost said:

 

Quite the shift. He's sounding to right of Farage with this speech:

 

I didn't have the labour leader coming out and saying "that great replacement conspiracy is actually real" on my bingo card for 2024.

I mean, it is by design...we had free movement before brexit, then this got switched off at same time as we had a higher demand for certain jobs due to covid (also factor in allowing asylum seekers from Ukraine and Hong Kong to come here).

[steviewevie]

also...risk for Starmer is he may gain (or not lose) more reform/red wall/traditional working class/horrible zenophobic bigot voters...but will then lose the bleeding heart metropolitan liberal elite remainy voters to lib dems or greens. I guess it's where these votes are that matters, and still sweet spot seems to be to the left on economics and to the right on social policy.

[steviewevie]

 

[kaosmark2]

4 hours ago, steviewevie said:

also...risk for Starmer is he may gain (or not lose) more reform/red wall/traditional working class/horrible zenophobic bigot voters...but will then lose the bleeding heart metropolitan liberal elite remainy voters to lib dems or greens. I guess it's where these votes are that matters, and still sweet spot seems to be to the left on economics and to the right on social policy.

What left of centre economic policies will Starmer implement?

[lazyred]

2 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

What left of centre economic policies will Starmer implement?

Extra tax on business to fund nhs and pay public sector pay rises

More borrowing to invest in infrastructure 

An industrial strategy to promote AI and green energy

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

What left of centre economic policies will Starmer implement?

Workers rights, nationalising railways, increased public spending paid for by increased taxes and borrowing..?

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Extra tax on business to fund nhs and pay public sector pay rises

More borrowing to invest in infrastructure 

An industrial strategy to promote AI and green energy

Oh, you got there first.

[Alvoram]

On 11/29/2024 at 10:24 AM, steviewevie said:

Maybe assisted suicide will help with the aging population problem.

Maybe we can shed a few poor people whilst we're at it.

In case you can't tell, that is very much sarcasm, not my view at all. Have you seen what's happening in Canada? We need to be very very careful with this. 
 

 

[steviewevie]

4 hours ago, Alvoram said:

Maybe we can shed a few poor people whilst we're at it.

In case you can't tell, that is very much sarcasm, not my view at all. Have you seen what's happening in Canada? We need to be very very careful with this. 
 

 

I guess do it like they do in all the other countries that have assisted dying in some form.

[steviewevie]

Reset.

 

[Alvoram]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

I guess do it like they do in all the other countries that have assisted dying in some form.

Yes, the key thing is to maintain the requirement that the patient should already be suffering with an untreatable illness, that would leave them with a low quality of life, if not for assisted suicide being available. 

Until recently, In Canada, they'd opened it up to all mental illnesses, which led to people choosing it as a way out if they were struggling financially. 😞 Effectively meaning the state was sponsoring the death of the poor, rather than helping them get back on their feet. (I think it's been changed now, after public outrage.)

[mattiloy]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Reset.

 

 

Lol. He’d rebrand every few months in opposition to try to stop the attrition in the polls but it never helped. Unless theres another pandemic and the tories all start having big forbidden parties again, Labours goose is cooked.

[steviewevie]

8 hours ago, mattiloy said:

 

Lol. He’d rebrand every few months in opposition to try to stop the attrition in the polls but it never helped. Unless theres another pandemic and the tories all start having big forbidden parties again, Labours goose is cooked.

unless they cut NHS waiting lists and crime and improve living standards and early years education.

 

This is all very Morgan McSweeney...beat the populists by making things better for voters, the basics...trouble is they need to deliver and Sunak tried stuff like this and look how that went.

[steviewevie]

 

[philipsteak]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/12th-century-castle-might-not-survive-labour-government/

 

Could this be one of the most Daily Telegraph headlines ever?

[steviewevie]

Apparently someone called Sir Chris Wormald is running things.

[lost]

6 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Apparently someone called Sir Chris Wormald is running things.

 

He was in charge of pandemic planning apparently. Dom already shitting on him:

 

 

[steviewevie]

20 minutes ago, lost said:

 

He was in charge of pandemic planning apparently. Dom already shitting on him:

 

 

He's still banging on about Carrie.