UK Politics

[steviewevie]

24 minutes ago, Neil said:

Looks like the faragists know they f**ked up.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/12/majority-of-brexit-voters-would-accept-free-movement-to-access-single-market-uk-eu?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

and yet the government still wouldn't dare go near it. 

[Neil]

23 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

and yet the government still wouldn't dare go near it. 

Reckon it needs a bit more than one recent poll for the govt to be brave enough.

I think that poll might also signal that the rise of farage is starting to peter out.

[lost]

Seems a huge number for the south west, I've never really thought of it as having the infrastucture of other regions:

 

 

[Neil]

9 minutes ago, lost said:

Seems a huge number for the south west, I've never really thought of it as having the infrastucture of other regions:

 

 

There's some bad housing problems in the south west with over 1000 street sleepers in Bristol alone. Also a lot of can't buy a house in the village I was brought up in.

Edited December 12 by Neil

[steviewevie]

19 minutes ago, lost said:

Seems a huge number for the south west, I've never really thought of it as having the infrastucture of other regions:

 

 

for londoner 2nd homes.

[steviewevie]

They won't hit those targets...there will be massive push back from councils and nimbys etc. But, they might make some progress.

[lost]

20 minutes ago, Neil said:

There's some bad housing problems in the south west with over 1000 street sleepers in Bristol alone.

 

I think it is just short of another Bristol. 40k a year over 5 year parliament, 2.3 average occupancy, I make that 472k. Google says Bristol is 483k.

Edited December 12 by lost

[lost]

12 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

They won't hit those targets...there will be massive push back from councils and nimbys etc. But, they might make some progress.

 

Yep. Just noticed how much green belt around Warrington is marked for development. From the people I know in Cheshire that is going to kick off big time.

[steviewevie]

56 minutes ago, lost said:

 

Yep. Just noticed how much green belt around Warrington is marked for development. From the people I know in Cheshire that is going to kick off big time.

also going to be a big push back from environmentalists (and from that yougov poll most people are environmentalists these days apparently)

[pink_triangle]

It’s fine to build the houses, but how will the roads cope with the additional traffic? where will people park in the village? Where will the kids in the new houses go to school and how will GP surgeries cope with extra people and no extra staff?

Edited December 12 by pink_triangle

[lost]

2 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

It’s fine to build the houses, but hii out will the roads cope with the additional traffic?

 

Thats what I thought about the south west. You would of thought the north and south east have much better infrastructure due to the north being the main area during the industrial revolution and the south east been the main area now.

 

its going to need massive road building in the South West.

[steviewevie]

15 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

It’s fine to build the houses, but how will the roads cope with the additional traffic? where will people park in the village? Where will the kids in the new houses go to school and how will GP surgeries cope with extra people and no extra staff?

well...that's where planning comes in.

[Crazyfool01]

11 minutes ago, lost said:

 

Thats what I thought about the south west. You would of thought the north and south east have much better infrastructure due to the north being the main area during the industrial revolution and the south east been the main area now.

 

its going to need massive road building in the South West.

as soon as there is an issue on the M5 the entire SW grinds to a halt and its happened pretty frequently lately 

[steviewevie]

BRM_CreateStreets_New-Towns-Report_111224.pdf

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

BRM_CreateStreets_New-Towns-Report_111224.pdf

from this they site this..

 Bristol Extension: help to alleviate the worst housing crisis outside the south east by building on one of the most restrictive green belts in the UK.

rest is mostly home counties...bucks + oxford/cambridge

[steviewevie]

but I also just got this email from Cheshire wildlife trust...

Last month we told you of our efforts to protect Longridge, a Local Wildlife Site on the outskirts of Knutsford. 

Earlier this week we were devastated to learn that the housing development of 225 properties has been greenlit. This is despite it originally being rejected by the Local Planning Authority as inappropriate development in the greenbelt and as having unacceptable impacts on ecology.
 

Longridge Local Wildlife Site which lies on the outskirts of Knutsford and is a mosaic of oak woodland, wildflower grassland, scrub and ponds. It is a haven for wildlife with flocks of redwing, fieldfare and finches in the winter months and numerous red and amber listed breeding birds in summer including song thrush and willow warbler. Remarkably there are also three species of newt, which is extremely unusual for Cheshire.  
 

At a recent planning inquiry following an appeal against the initial rejection, Dr Rachel Giles, Evidence and Planning Programme Manager at Cheshire Wildlife Trust, gave evidence to defend the site. Several local residents also gave moving evidence on the importance of the site to the people of Longridge, including representatives from local groups Save Longridge Greenbelt and Knutsford Residents in Over Ward. 
 

Over the course of the two-week inquiry, the planning Inspector was presented with evidence for and against the housing development and subsequently decided in favour of it going ahead. 

 

think we're going to start seeing those pesky tree hugger swampy types doing their thing over the next few years.

[pink_triangle]

42 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

well...that's where planning comes in.

My experience is they build the houses and then start thinking about this stuff.

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

My experience is they build the houses and then start thinking about this stuff.

Angela is on it.

National Planning Policy Framework

 

(but yeah, when private contractors start getting involved it all just becomes a greedy land grab)

[kaosmark2]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

from this they site this..

 Bristol Extension: help to alleviate the worst housing crisis outside the south east by building on one of the most restrictive green belts in the UK.

rest is mostly home counties...bucks + oxford/cambridge

Bristol absolutely has a housing crisis and needs this, but...

There's also a complete lack of functional public transport. It's the largest city without an additional form on top of buses (trams, underground), and the bus service that does exist is insanely unreliable and problematic.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Bristol absolutely has a housing crisis and needs this, but...

There's also a complete lack of functional public transport. It's the largest city without an additional form on top of buses (trams, underground), and the bus service that does exist is insanely unreliable and problematic.

talks about that on p24 of that thingy

[lost]

3 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

It's the largest city without an additional form on top of buses (trams, underground), and the bus service that does exist is insanely unreliable and problematic.

 

We were always told that was Leeds. Largest in Europe without mass transit apparently. Seems to be an issue with the UK generally.

[lazyred]

3 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

It’s fine to build the houses, but how will the roads cope with the additional traffic? where will people park in the village? Where will the kids in the new houses go to school and how will GP surgeries cope with extra people and no extra staff?

Where will people live without the extra houses? There's always a reason not to do it. It's amazing how people develop concerns about public services or orchids and newts as soon as houses are proposed nearby. We have a national housing crisis and we need to fix it.

Edited December 12 by lazyred
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[lazyred]

7 hours ago, Alvoram said:

We do, their pay must still go up in line with MW increases, or being paid above is worthless. 

The point is, I'd happily pay everybody £20 an hour, but would you be happy to pay £8-9 per pint to cover that?

 

I came across as more unsympathetic than I am. The budget was bad for retail and hospitality. Its just that your costs are rising because of multiple factors. I'd rather see you get help for things like energy and business rates than keep wages low. (Though I'd raise corporation and dividend tax to help pay for it).

[Alvoram]

1 minute ago, lazyred said:

I came across as more unsympathetic than I am. The budget was bad for retail and hospitality. Its just that your costs are rising because of multiple factors. I'd rather see you get help for things like energy and business rates than keep wages low. (Though I'd raise corporation and dividend tax to help pay for it).

I'd be perfectly fine with that, you have to make a profit to pay either. 🙈🤣

[pink_triangle]

1 hour ago, lazyred said:

Where will people live without the extra houses? There's always a reason not to do it. It's amazing how people develop concerns about public services or orchids and newts as soon as houses are proposed nearby. We have a national housing crisis and we need to fix it.

I have seen the impact of new housing where I live and the houses are build without the infrastructure in place. Village shops are closing down because there isn’t enough parking to cope with the additional demand, schools are full and can’t cope with the extra kids. 

 

What often happens is these dodgy house building companies promise to invest in changes to roads as part of contract for the labs, but do everything they can to delay. The houses are then full before the necessary changes have been made