UK Politics

[Nobody Interesting]

40 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

you do realise how politics works, right?

It's why May uturned on that new tax to pay for social care in 2017. They had to calculate whether damage from uturning was worse than damage from keeping policy. 

May did not uturn on that and choose to go with a policy that was know to be not working though did she.

That's rather been my point on this throughout, experts/industry says the CC policy is not working so why go with it? That is what I said from the start. To me it is bonkers to go with a policy that is not working just to avoid bad headlines.

and yes I understand how politics works, it is one of my qualifications as I spent years studying it.

[Nobody Interesting]

24 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Thats fair enough. Everyone has different red lines. For me this time its kicking out the tories. If I lived in your area knowing that Labour will win overall I coud vote Labour, you could vote Green, we'd have a Tory or Lib Dem MP and a Labour Govt. If it was closer nationally I'd be more inclined to vote tactically to ensure the Tory lost. Each time and place is different.

Lib Dems will win here, 95% confident of that. They ousted all the Tories in the council elections 2 years ago and since then the Tories have become even less popular.

I won't vote Lib Dem though as there are too many policies of theirs I simply cannot support so I may as well vote for what I really want even though they will not win.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

May did not uturn on that and choose to go with a policy that was know to be not working though did she.

That's rather been my point on this throughout, experts/industry says the CC policy is not working so why go with it? That is what I said from the start. To me it is bonkers to go with a policy that is not working just to avoid bad headlines.

and yes I understand how politics works, it is one of my qualifications as I spent years studying it.

Labour have said they will not take the entitlements of free childcare away. They haven't said how it will work, how much will be spent etc etc.

Did you get a B-?

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Lib Dems will win here, 95% confident of that. They ousted all the Tories in the council elections 2 years ago and since then the Tories have become even less popular.

I won't vote Lib Dem though as there are too many policies of theirs I simply cannot support so I may as well vote for what I really want even though they will not win.

Will laugh my c*ck off if you end up with a Tory MP win by one vote.

[Nobody Interesting]

In other news, Hunt seems to be unbothered by breaches of security, data protection etc but is willing to heap praise on someone who has broken these things. I thought they were the party of law and order, not being courageous.
 

"The chancellor has praised a Tory MP for apologising after he admitted he gave other MPs' personal phone numbers to someone on a dating app.

Jeremy Hunt said William Wragg had been "courageous" in telling the Times he was sorry for the "hurt" he had caused."

[Nobody Interesting]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Will laugh my c*ck off if you end up with a Tory MP win by one vote.

Why, does drawing of lots make your member fall off with hilarity?

[Nobody Interesting]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Labour have said they will not take the entitlements of free childcare away. They haven't said how it will work, how much will be spent etc etc.

Did you get a B-?

Labours Shadow education secretary Bridget Phillipson said in a letter to Gillian Keegan,

"As we have made abundantly clear, Labour will not be removing any entitlements offered to families now or those promised to them in the future.

"Your suggestion to the contrary is an outright lie - and the public will not believe a word of it.""

She then said in an interview with the BBC that Labour will be keeping the policy and "will not remove any entitlements promised to families "in the future"."

When asked about the review Labour had said they would make she simply repeated the above.

From that all I see, as I have said throughout, that Labour are keeping the Tory policy as it is and as that policy also shows funding that too is covered.

Anyway, you will not believe this and will likely just go round in more circles til your mate arrives sometime to attack non Labour people like has happened so so often in the forum.

Have fun, ta ta

[steviewevie]

13 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Labours Shadow education secretary Bridget Phillipson said in a letter to Gillian Keegan,

"As we have made abundantly clear, Labour will not be removing any entitlements offered to families now or those promised to them in the future.

"Your suggestion to the contrary is an outright lie - and the public will not believe a word of it.""

She then said in an interview with the BBC that Labour will be keeping the policy and "will not remove any entitlements promised to families "in the future"."

When asked about the review Labour had said they would make she simply repeated the above.

From that all I see, as I have said throughout, that Labour are keeping the Tory policy as it is and as that policy also shows funding that too is covered.

Anyway, you will not believe this and will likely just go round in more circles til your mate arrives sometime to attack non Labour people like has happened so so often in the forum.

Have fun, ta ta

well not all of it has happened yet. But keeping those entitlements is a good thing imo.

Yeah, have fun in your tory/libdem marginal shithole.

Edited April 5 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

3 hours ago, Nobody Interesting said:

and yes I understand how politics works, it is one of my qualifications as I spent years studying it.

no critical thinking about it, never any criticism of the greens. only repeating newspaper criticisms of labour.

Edited April 5 by Neil

[mattiloy]

5 hours ago, steviewevie said:

you do realise how politics works, right?

 

He’s here now professor politics. Make way everybody, here comes the politics understander!

[mattiloy]

The more you post in this thread, the dumber you are.

[mattiloy]

9 hours ago, lazyred said:

I understand perfectly how coalitions work. I don't condemn parties for adjusting policy to win power. You don't seem to like this happening before an election but are ok if it happens after. 

But New Labour were more right wing in power than they were in the election campaign so…

Edited April 5 by mattiloy

[mattiloy]

7 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Look forward to you endlessly criticising labour and then getting upset when someone disagrees.

 

 

[steviewevie]

 

[Neil]

41 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Kippers gaining better than greens.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

But New Labour were more right wing in power than they were in the election campaign so…

The same people who still have a downer on blair for Iraq were calling for intervention in Gaza. Intervention against a murdering tyrant depends on who the tyrant is.

[LJS]

2 hours ago, Neil said:

The same people who still have a downer on blair for Iraq were calling for intervention in Gaza. Intervention against a murdering tyrant depends on who the tyrant is.

We didn't invade Iraq because Sadaam was a murdering tyrant  - or at least that's not what we were told. 

And I don't hear many folk campaigning for us to invade Israel.

 

Other than that, you are spot on as usual

[Neil]

1 minute ago, LJS said:

We didn't invade Iraq because Sadaam was a murdering tyrant  - or at least that's not what we were told. 

And I don't hear many folk campaigning for us to invade Israel.

 

Other than that, you are spot on as usual

saddam being a murdering tyrant is the justification blair gave when British servicemen were dying ("it was all worth it to remove a murdering tyrant")

[Neil]

4 minutes ago, LJS said:

And I don't hear many folk campaigning for us to invade Israel

lots of voices saying "why doesn't somebody do something?". the "something " could only be some sort of military intervention.

[Neil]

i hope you're all praying for New York after the earthquake. 😛 

[LJS]

7 minutes ago, Neil said:

saddam being a murdering tyrant is the justification blair gave when British servicemen were dying ("it was all worth it to remove a murdering tyrant")

so I take it you supported the invasion of Iraq, then Neil?

 

a simple yes or no would be nice.

 

Just for clarity, I didn't then & I still think it was a huge mistake.

[Neil]

12 minutes ago, LJS said:

so I take it you supported the invasion of Iraq, then Neil?

 

a simple yes or no would be nice.

 

Just for clarity, I didn't then & I still think it was a huge mistake.

i didn't support it, but one less murdering tyrant in power is surely a good thing. but didn't excuse the lies used to mount the campaign to take him out.

 

[Neil]

18 minutes ago, LJS said:

so I take it you supported the invasion of Iraq, then Neil?

no - nothing i said supports you making that conclusion

 

 

[lazyred]

Reports the cabinet are split on Isreal's compliance wth international law and whether to keep supplying arms. It's more symbolic for us as USA and Germany are the big arms suppliers