UK Politics

[Neil]

13 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Wragg has resigned. Almost feel sorry for him.

Was so much easier being a gay tory mp when all you had to worry about was indiscrete rent boys.

[steviewevie]

6 point narrowing..

 

[steviewevie]

I blame Angela Rayner 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

6 point narrowing..

 

Outlier of course. Opros always overestimate the Tories vote. It will reverse next time.

Edited April 9 by Ommadawn

[Guest]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

6 point narrowing..

 

Savanta generally showed smaller leads for Labour, the last few polls for them showed quite Labour leads so this is probably reverting back. I would imagine it would move back slightly next week. 

[Neil]

the corbyn fan club are trying to f**k things up for labour.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/09/we-cant-tolerate-this-sunak-condemns-protest-outside-starmers-house

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

the corbyn fan club are trying to f**k things up for labour.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/09/we-cant-tolerate-this-sunak-condemns-protest-outside-starmers-house

thats the sort of ugly politics from the left in the 70s  that gave thatcher her foothold.

[steviewevie]

12 hours ago, Neil said:

thats the sort of ugly politics from the left in the 70s  that gave thatcher her foothold.

I don't know...think it was more the state of the economy and strikes and stuff that helped Thatcher. These sort of protests targeting politicians homes seems to be a more modern thing, clips for social media etc. 

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I don't know...think it was more the state of the economy and strikes and stuff that helped Thatcher. These sort of protests targeting politicians homes seems to be a more modern thing, clips for social media etc. 

The strikes were part of the ugly politics of the 70s.

confrontations, like the attempt at a confrontation with starmer by protesting at his home.

[steviewevie]

30 minutes ago, Neil said:

The strikes were part of the ugly politics of the 70s.

confrontations, like the attempt at a confrontation with starmer by protesting at his home.

 

I mean...some might argue that strikes are a legitimate and perfectly legal method used by trade unions. Whether protesting outside Starmer's home is legitimate (or legal) is another matter.

[steviewevie]

 

[clarkete]

13 hours ago, Neil said:

thats the sort of ugly politics from the left in the 70s  that gave thatcher her foothold.

gave Thatcher her foothold... So that she could demonise unions and vastly diminish the right to strike. 

 

Let's not carry on harping on like a mail front page about unions when their powers were very much curtailed. 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, clarkete said:

gave Thatcher her foothold... So that she could demonise unions and vastly diminish the right to strike. 

 

Let's not carry on harping on like a mail front page about unions when their powers were very much curtailed. 

im just pointing out that actions can have equal and opposite reactions.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

I mean...some might argue that strikes are a legitimate and perfectly legal method used by trade unions. Whether protesting outside Starmer's home is legitimate (or legal) is another matter.

strikes are a legitimate action, the way they were done in the 70s was often mob-rule.

[clarkete]

28 minutes ago, Neil said:

strikes are a legitimate action, the way they were done in the 70s was often mob-rule.

As were some of the responses 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/18/scandal-of-orgreave-miners-strike-hillsborough-theresa-may

[Neil]

10 minutes ago, clarkete said:

As were some of the responses 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/18/scandal-of-orgreave-miners-strike-hillsborough-theresa-may

yep, and the public found both sides repellent which is how come thatcher was able to weaponize it.

 

 

[clarkete]

9 minutes ago, Neil said:

yep, and the public found both sides repellent which is how come thatcher was able to weaponize it.

 

 

Nah, the majority of the public knew much less about violence against the unions, as in most cases it takes years for that information to get out..whereas they still push info against unions on front pages very regularly. 

Edited April 10 by clarkete

[steviewevie]

it was like a civil war...and the unions lost.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

it was like a civil war...and the unions lost.

true, because 'the left' are crap leaders  with crap strategies, and no ability to learn better for next time.

the miners strike could have gone much better if not for Scargill.

[Neil]

17 minutes ago, clarkete said:

Nah, the majority of the public knew much less about violence against the unions, as in most cases it takes years for that information to get out..whereas they still push info against unions on front pages very regularly. 

because unions are still f**king with people's lives, and the people don't like to be f**ked with.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

true, because 'the left' are crap leaders  with crap strategies, and no ability to learn better for next time.

the miners strike could have gone much better if not for Scargill.

 

because they took on the state led by a government which wanted an ideological battle to break the unions.

[clarkete]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

because unions are still f**king with people's lives, and the people don't like to be f**ked with.

Yes, of course they have dear 😂

 

But they did get us equal pay, equal opportunities, protection from being sacked when being sick or on maternity, maternity pay, 2 day weekends, minimum wage and the living wage. 

[Neil]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

because they took on the state led by a government which wanted an ideological battle to break the unions.

worse than that; scargill wouldn't allow a free vote on having a strike, but then expected the labour party to support a strike the miners hadn't voted for.

[Neil]

Just now, clarkete said:

Yes, of course they have dear 😂

 

But they did get us equal pay, equal opportunities, protection from being sacked when being sick or on maternity, maternity pay, 2 day weekends, minimum wage and the living wage. 

yes, i was simply stating how come there's still often anti-union stuff in the papers.

better strategies needed.

 

[steviewevie]

22 minutes ago, Neil said:

worse than that; scargill wouldn't allow a free vote on having a strike, but then expected the labour party to support a strike the miners hadn't voted for.

well yeah, he should have allowed a vote.