UK Politics

[clarkete]

21 minutes ago, Neil said:

Cost to NHS has maybe gone up cos women smokers will now be in the mix. Women tended not to habitually smoke until about (I'm guessing the era)  1960-ish

 

Definitely not that, the first link I quoted and referred to was 2015:-

 

"Estimates suggest costs anywhere between £3 billion and £6 billion for NHS treatments in a given year. In the longer term the total cost might be lower, since some of those who die prematurely due to smoking might otherwise have gone on to cost the service even more money due to other health conditions.

 

NHS treatment isn't the only cost to the government, which spends money on things like sweeping up cigarette butts and putting out fires caused by cigarettes. It also loses tax revenue from lost productivity when people are made ill by smoking.

Conditions caused by smoking cost the NHS billions

 

The cost of treating smokers in England was estimated at £2.7 billion in 2006. That was made up of £1.2 billion spent on hospital treatment, £600 million on consultations with GPs and practice nurses, and £900 million on GP prescriptions.

That £2.7 billion would be worth about £3.2 billion today (adjusting using GDP deflators).

Other research put it as high as £5.2 billion in 2005/06 (about £6.2 billion today).

 

These studies suggest a range of between £3 and £6 billion costs to the NHS, but there's too much uncertainty in the estimates to rely on these bounds or place a more precise estimate between them."

 

So a phenomenal increase in 9 years.

[lost]

53 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

so maybe they should just ban everything bad for you. Imagine that? No more fags, booze or cakes.

 

Then the cost of looking after people with alzheimers will go throught the roof 😆

 

Seriously though all these measures don't address the elephant in the room which is the increasing costs of pensions and healthcare for an aging population.

[clarkete]

 

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, lost said:

 

Then the cost of looking after people with alzheimers will go throught the roof 😆

 

Seriously though all these measures don't address the elephant in the room which is the increasing costs of pensions and healthcare for an aging population.

Maybe encourage everyone over 50 to take up smoking.

[fraybentos1]

25 minutes ago, lost said:

 

Then the cost of looking after people with alzheimers will go throught the roof 😆

 

Seriously though all these measures don't address the elephant in the room which is the increasing costs of pensions and healthcare for an aging population.

Yeah 100%, it's going to totally f**k us in a couple decades and as ever it will be the younger generations who get f**ked over the most. 

[steviewevie]

32 minutes ago, lost said:

 

Then the cost of looking after people with alzheimers will go throught the roof 😆

 

Seriously though all these measures don't address the elephant in the room which is the increasing costs of pensions and healthcare for an aging population.

 

well if they want people to have more kids then they're going to have to start making it worthwhile with taxes and benefits etc (and even then they might struggle).

[Nobody Interesting]

57 minutes ago, lost said:

 

Then the cost of looking after people with alzheimers will go throught the roof 😆

 

Seriously though all these measures don't address the elephant in the room which is the increasing costs of pensions and healthcare for an aging population.

The elephant that Tory, Labour and Lib Dems are all ignoring....................... and have done for decades.

[steviewevie]

ok so what do you do about that elephant. We're not the only ones facing the aging population problem, it is happening across the developed world, and also beginning to happen across the developing world. When countries reach a certain level of wealth their populations start having fewer kids, because the need to have loads has gone and it just becomes a want, and most people seem to want to have just a few, if any. So you can chuck money at that to try and get people reproducing, removing cap on child benefits, spend more on child care etc but not sure will be enough because kids are hard work and people quite like child free freedoms it seems. So, it will just get worse and worse. I guess just keep increasing the pension age, and/or make state pensions and healthcare means tested, but that could be perceived as unfair and complicated and expensive. Or just keep putting up taxes to help pay for it, so you have a sh*t working life and then a sh*t old age. Or just get AI to sort it out.

 

Edited April 17, 2024 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

Still, fewer people is good for the climate, so there is that.

[Nobody Interesting]

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[Nobody Interesting]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

 

If Labour were elected tomorrow the new PM would be the least popular (using this method) ever on gaining power and the deputy PM would also be the least popular ever using this method. This was discussed today on Politics Live.

As I heard someone in the USA say, "Biden and tRump are both evil and people said I should vote for the least evil". The response was why would you want to vote for evil at all?

The UK seems to be happy for voting for the least unpopular or the two most unpopular - aka the least sh*t.

Hey ho....................... if you elect shot, you get sh*t even if it is slightly less sh*t.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

If Labour were elected tomorrow the new PM would be the least popular (using this method) ever on gaining power and the deputy PM would also be the least popular ever using this method. This was discussed today on Politics Live.

As I heard someone in the USA say, "Biden and tRump are both evil and people said I should vote for the least evil". The response was why would you want to vote for evil at all?

The UK seems to be happy for voting for the least unpopular or the two most unpopular - aka the least sh*t.

Hey ho....................... if you elect shot, you get sh*t even if it is slightly less sh*t.

 

yeah well all politicians seem to be unpopular at moment, they're all as bad as each other etc etc.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

yeah well all politicians seem to be unpopular at moment, they're all as bad as each other etc etc.

Keir Starmer is the most popular politician in the country at the moment, it’s all relative but he is the most popular. 

[Nobody Interesting]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

yeah well all politicians seem to be unpopular at moment, they're all as bad as each other etc etc.

Thank you for your deep and meaningful reply.

 

If you did take the time to look you would find that this is not the case and many politicians are not unpopular and have good positive scores using the method.

but I suppose throw away comments are your thing and easy for you to do.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Thank you for your deep and meaningful reply.

 

If you did take the time to look you would find that this is not the case and many politicians are not unpopular and have good positive scores using the method.

but I suppose throw away comments are your thing and easy for you to do.

 

thanks for your incisive, profound and typically condescending reply.

 

Name me a popular politician and I will bow to your superior knowledge in everything.

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Keir Starmer is the most popular politician in the country at the moment, it’s all relative but he is the most popular. 

 

just beats Farage

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

 

just beats Farage

 

Keir is a man of the people. 

[Nobody Interesting]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Keir Starmer is the most popular politician in the country at the moment, it’s all relative but he is the most popular. 

Not true.

Using a yougov poll Farage comes top
https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/politicians-political-figures/all

Another poll that shows this to be untrue is here
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48984-politicians-favourability-ratings-march-2024
updated here but with less choice
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49179-political-tracker-roundup-april-2024

Using the method in the post above there are many more popular as well such as Andy Burnham.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Not true.

Using a yougov poll Farage comes top
https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/politicians-political-figures/all

Another poll that shows this to be untrue is here
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48984-politicians-favourability-ratings-march-2024
updated here but with less choice
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49179-political-tracker-roundup-april-2024

Using the method in the post above there are many more popular as well such as Andy Burnham.

 

Burnham comes 16th in that poll.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

 

Burnham comes 16th in that poll.

 

just behind Suella Braverman and Priti Patel, but just ahead of Tebbit.

Edited April 17, 2024 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

...and anyway all their popularity percentages are below 50%, but Farage has the highest Fame percentage.

 

So, they're all unpopular.

 

QED.

[Neil]

26 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

If Labour were elected tomorrow the new PM would be the least popular (using this method) ever on gaining power and the deputy PM would also be the least popular ever using this method. This was discussed today on Politics Live.

did they ask how popular the greens leader would be if the greens won, they couldn't cos no one knew who she is.

 

 

26 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

 

As I heard someone in the USA say, "Biden and tRump are both evil and people said I should vote for the least evil". The response was why would you want to vote for evil at all?

 

because you' d rather the tories won?

 

26 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

The UK seems to be happy for voting for the least unpopular or the two most unpopular - aka the least sh*t.

 

 

popular was thatcher, blair and boris, you can get popular if you want.

 

 

26 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Hey ho....................... if you elect shot, you get sh*t even if it is slightly less sh*t.

slightly less sh*t would be the new greens leader compared to lucas. you know who to vote for there dont cha.